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Post by Liberian Girl on Sept 21, 2018 6:57:09 GMT
I do want to add here that as a vegetarian I'm not exactly keen on Halal and Kosher meat either. Can you believe the UK government BAN non stunned slaughter, but then say Halal and Kosher is okay because they give it a "Religious Exemption" pass. Seriously? A religious "free pass" in 2018 that means animals suffer more? I know some animals are stunned but a certain amount (on the rise, apparently) isn't. UK recently signed a deal with Saudi to send non stunned slaughtered animals. So wrong. Just my opinion
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Post by respect77 on Sept 21, 2018 7:25:45 GMT
I do want to add here that as a vegetarian I'm not exactly keen on Halal and Kosher meat either. Can you believe the UK government BAN non stunned slaughter, but then say Halal and Kosher is okay because they give it a "Religious Exemption" pass. Seriously? A religious "free pass" in 2018 that means animals suffer more? I know some animals are stunned but a certain amount (on the rise, apparently) isn't. UK recently signed a deal with Saudi to send non stunned slaughtered animals. So wrong. Just my opinion Religion always enjoys special exemptions in all areas of life. In a lot of countries (including the USA and my country as well) religious organizations don't have to pay taxes after their incomes. It's crazy when you think about it. Basically organizations that justify their existence with unproven fairy tales, enjoy special privileges. Unfortunately as long as people emotionally cling on these fairy tales no changes are to be expected.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Oct 4, 2018 7:02:11 GMT
This is a pure example of what we were talking about respect77In the UK, a British man from Tumbridge Wells is going to court because it was found he didn't stun animals properly before he killed them. Fair enough. So why is it no big deal that across the UK, we are allowing certain slaughter houses to not stun ANY animals in the name of Halal and Kosher meat? It's illegal to do so, but government allows the loophole for religion. It's so wrong. UK article: www.kentlive.news/news/tunbridge-wells-slaughterhouse-appear-court-2071466
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Post by ghost on Oct 4, 2018 8:02:09 GMT
^^ That's nothing. Certain banks in the UK, even offer interest free credit cards and drop overdraft charges on current account to their Muslim customers, whilst the rest of us aren't entitled to such special treatment. It's disgusting.
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/10789509/Lloyds-drops-overdraft-fee-on-Islamic-accounts.html Lloyds drops overdraft fee on Islamic accounts Bank accused of discrimination after telling Muslims they would escape overdraft charge of up to £80 a month By Keith Perry
Lloyds Bank has been accused of religious discrimination after offering free overdraft accounts to Muslims.
The bank sent customers a booklet this month explaining new charges.
While many will have to pay up to £80 a month if they go into the red, Muslims were told they would escape the charges. The document said: “We are removing the monthly overdraft management fee of £6 from our Islamic Account, Islamic Student Account and Islamic Graduate Account. So, if you use an unplanned overdraft on these accounts, there won’t be any charges.”
One customer, Anita Milton, a nurse of New Eltham, south London, said: “I can’t believe that they’re thinking of offering one account for Muslims and making everyone else pay for the same service. Do I have to change my religion to get the best deal?"
Barclays, Co-op Bank and RBS said they do not offer alternative bank accounts to Muslim customers.
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Post by bedroom on Oct 5, 2018 6:25:49 GMT
I'm a non practicing Muslim, and I see nothing offensive in this thread I think the concerns expressed here are mutually shared by anyone who supports and wants a secular government and constitution. But rather than this conversation, what interests me more is the fact that within the last 50/60 years a lot of the middle eastern countries became more and more religiously conservative whereas the opposite is true for the western world. Is it not really strange? I can be really into my conspiracy theories from time to time, and it really fascinates me, watching pre-revolution footage from Iran, and how people used to live back then. Same with Egypt and others
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Post by jaywonder on Oct 9, 2018 11:09:03 GMT
I do want to add here that as a vegetarian I'm not exactly keen on Halal and Kosher meat either. Can you believe the UK government BAN non stunned slaughter, but then say Halal and Kosher is okay because they give it a "Religious Exemption" pass. Seriously? A religious "free pass" in 2018 that means animals suffer more? I know some animals are stunned but a certain amount (on the rise, apparently) isn't. UK recently signed a deal with Saudi to send non stunned slaughtered animals. So wrong. Just my opinion Religion always enjoys special exemptions in all areas of life. In a lot of countries (including the USA and my country as well) religious organizations don't have to pay taxes after their incomes. It's crazy when you think about it. Basically organizations that justify their existence with unproven fairy tales, enjoy special privileges. Unfortunately as long as people emotionally cling on these fairy tales no changes are to be expected. Yeah churches here in the US a lot of times are HUGE, with the preachers and his crew having expensive cars, clothes...etc BTW, in the UK and other parts of Europe, do you guys have people like Joel Osteen and Peter Popoff?
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Post by Liberian Girl on Oct 14, 2018 7:30:00 GMT
I'm a non practicing Muslim, and I see nothing offensive in this thread I think the concerns expressed here are mutually shared by anyone who supports and wants a secular government and constitution. But rather than this conversation, what interests me more is the fact that within the last 50/60 years a lot of the middle eastern countries became more and more religiously conservative whereas the opposite is true for the western world. Is it not really strange? I can be really into my conspiracy theories from time to time, and it really fascinates me, watching pre-revolution footage from Iran, and how people used to live back then. Same with Egypt and others Thanks Bedroom, for your insight. It's interesting to hear it from someone who is no longer a practicing Muslim. Can I ask you: What was the response from family when you stopped practicing? bedroom
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Post by respect77 on Oct 14, 2018 8:37:00 GMT
I'm a non practicing Muslim, and I see nothing offensive in this thread I think the concerns expressed here are mutually shared by anyone who supports and wants a secular government and constitution. Yes, I am equally opposed to the increasing influence of Christian churches in the government in countries like mine (Central Europe). They don't get the irony that while they use the prospect of sharia sneaking into Europe to scare people for their political agendas and to hold on to power, at the same time they promote the increasing influence of Christianity in education, state and backwards ideas about women and family too. It's not something I support either. Religion should stay out of the government, no matter which religion it is. When I see pictures like these, it makes me pretty sad. There is a good animated movie about the changes in Iran called "Persepolis". It's the story of a girl/young woman growing up during the Iran "revolution". (There's also an MJ mention, LOL.) It's a warning sign about how fragile freedom is and how we should never take our freedoms granted, we should guard them, against any kind of religious or other tyranny. While I don't think religion is the root of all problems, but I do think the world would be a better place if people took their fairy tales (ie. religions) a bit less seriously.
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Post by bedroom on Oct 14, 2018 8:38:04 GMT
I'm a non practicing Muslim, and I see nothing offensive in this thread I think the concerns expressed here are mutually shared by anyone who supports and wants a secular government and constitution. But rather than this conversation, what interests me more is the fact that within the last 50/60 years a lot of the middle eastern countries became more and more religiously conservative whereas the opposite is true for the western world. Is it not really strange? I can be really into my conspiracy theories from time to time, and it really fascinates me, watching pre-revolution footage from Iran, and how people used to live back then. Same with Egypt and others Thanks Bedroom, for your insight. It's interesting to hear it from someone who is no longer a practicing Muslim. Can I ask you: What was the response from family when you stopped practicing? bedroom I wish I could give a more interesting reply but the truth is I never practiced it. Neither did my parents. So I was never exposed to it. We are Turkish Cypriots and religion has never been a big part of our lives over here. We do celebrate the holidays very casually, sort of like non-religious folks celebrating Christmas and Easter in the West. But that is the extent of our practice in North Cyprus. The ironic thing is, the first time I heard the concept of "Halal meat" is when I moved to the UK for my studies. I never knew until then that it was a way of butchering animals until some other foreign students enlightened me. I just want to point out that I am not anti-religion or anti-Islam in any shape or form. People can believe what ever they want to believe in.What concerns me most is politics and religion co-existing in governing bodies. I am a hardcore supporter of secularism.
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Post by bedroom on Oct 14, 2018 8:48:01 GMT
Thank you, I will definitely check out that animated film respect77
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Post by Liberian Girl on Oct 14, 2018 8:56:35 GMT
I actually think religion and spiritual practises can have a profound positive impact. BUT as soon as that turns into effecting/abusing other people's rights, it has to stop...whether Islam, Christian or any. Belief shouldn't trump over other people's rights.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 14, 2018 8:57:59 GMT
Thank you, I will definitely check out that animated film respect77 This is the woman whose life it is based on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 3:06:16 GMT
Good points, but I feel in some way there is a racial component, mainly as I know Islam is a religion but not a race, but most people who practice it are non white. I could not find any exact statistics, but most Muslims (62% in Wikipedia) are from Indonesia or the Subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh) and a significiant amount are Arab, Persian, Turkish (Okay white, but not your traditional Western European derived white you find there and in USA/Canada and Australia/New Zealand). Then you have a large percentage of Sub Saharan African Muslims and the only truly white Muslims are a few million Albanians, Kosovars, Bosnians, Polish and Russian (Khazars) and Dagestani/Azeri, Chechen types (Wghitish but Asian type eyes and afroed hair like the Boston bombers) and a few other Balkan peoples. There are also significant groups of Chinese, Central Asian, Afghani, Kurdish and stan Muslims. Of course there are some Western Europeans and Americans who have converted, but this woudl surely be a fraction of 1%. Muslims make up close to 2 billion people and after Christianity the biggest religion en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world Basically most Muslims are Yellow, Brown or Black rather than white. I am sure the Muslim world would get less hate speech if they were more white. Xty escapes it as yes there are many Blacks, Hispanics and Polyneisans, Melanesians and Indigenous peoples, but the heirachies and management of Xty and it sects are mostly white. Islam does not general have a huge heirachty, but manmy of the mullahs and imans are the same ethnicity as the people (Brown or Yellow, not White)
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Post by respect77 on Oct 17, 2018 3:38:12 GMT
You accuse people in this thread of being racists and bigots in this other thread as well, based on nothing else but their criticism of Islam ( mymjjforum.boards.net/thread/1025/right-wing-extremism-populism-globally ). When you want shut people up in criticizing Islam by calling them racists that's extremely problematic. You basically want Islam, an ideology to be above criticism, just because most of its followers are non-white. Well noted that you have no objection to people criticizing Christianity here - which is a lot of us do too. But somehow when it comes to Islam, it should be above criticism just because most of its followers are non-white. I guess we shouldn't criticize practices like female genital mutilation either, because most of the people practicing it are non-white. Right? So let those poor African and Asian girls be further tortured and oppressed, but god forbid we will be called "racists" for criticizing a non-white practice! That's a good example of how liberals in the West today are losing sight of what is actually the liberal thing to do. They side with an oppressive, feudalistic religion (namely Islam) just because most of its followeres are non-white. The same liberals will be in first line though when it comes to criticizing Christinity as they see it as a "white" religion (it isn't really, but that's how it is seen). Don't get me wrong, they are absolutely right in criticizing Christianity. They are wrong when then they shy away from criticizing Islam the same way, just because a lot of its followers are non-white. A harmful ideology is a harmful ideology, no matter who are its followers. I guess the people who want the criticism of Islam be shut up do not realize that what they actually want to shut up is complaints about human rights violations of that religion. From the oppression of women to its treatment of gays to its treatment of people with different beliefs etc. And you know what? The victims of it are mostly non-white people too. If you are truly a liberal you should be concerned about those people in Muslim countries who are jailed or being executed for offending Islam, an ideology. Not calling people bigots and racists for criticizing the ideology that makes people do such things.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 17, 2018 4:22:32 GMT
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