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Post by LindavG on Mar 10, 2024 21:36:30 GMT
Interesting indeed to read something from an 80s perspective. I didn't realise the media was already so hard on him before Bad was even released. |
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Post by LindavG on Mar 10, 2024 21:47:53 GMT
Also this bullshit lmao. They really tried to pit him against Prince so bad and give Quincy all the credit.
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Post by abbeycodi on Mar 10, 2024 22:58:39 GMT
Interesting indeed to read something from an 80s perspective. I didn't realise the media was already so hard on him before Bad was even released. Yeah, I found the tone of this piece so fascinating, especially being from they 80's. It's definitely judgemental, but some of his observations are astute, like this one; "Taciturn himself, Michael demands constant stimulation. He is childish but domineering, shrewd yet abstracted. He is rich and powerful, but also an insecure child. He can be angelically sweet or cuttingly cold. His every whim is satisfied. He gets what he wants, but only as long as he remains inside the cocoon of his self-created isolation." A bit exaggeratory but true, I think. And this one; "The first thing that people who know him tell you is that there is Michael and there is the corporate entity called “Michael Jackson.” “He has a split personality,” says a member of his staff. “He is very bright and self-destructively brilliant. He has an extremely high I.Q. and certain quirks and personality disorders. He might have six or twenty sides to him, and they’re all competing against each other.”I wonder what he meant by "self-destructively brilliant"? Too smart for his own good? |
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Post by abbeycodi on Mar 10, 2024 23:04:07 GMT
Also this bullshit lmao. They really tried to pit him against Prince so bad and give Quincy all the credit. "he's not a creative artist" HUH?? btw, the guy who said this is Nelson George, the same guy who directed the Thriller 40 doc... |
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Post by respect77 on Mar 11, 2024 4:13:51 GMT
Also this bullshit lmao. They really tried to pit him against Prince so bad and give Quincy all the credit. This is Nelson George, isn't it? One of the reasons I side-eyed him making the Thriller 40 documentary. He wrote so much BS about MJ over the years, including (but not limited to) him as an artist which clearly indicates he didn't understand him as an artist and just parroted some cliché snob takes when it came to him. "He’s not a creative artist like Prince", "it's all Quincy Jones" bla-bla. Things that are simply not true, just popular, bud bad snob takes. |
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Post by respect77 on Mar 11, 2024 4:33:24 GMT
Interesting indeed to read something from an 80s perspective. I didn't realise the media was already so hard on him before Bad was even released.
There's this little book "Otherness" by Susan Woodward. (https://www.amazon.com/Otherness-Power-Michael-Jackson-Critics/dp/0578138026) In it she analyzes three works written about MJ and one of those is a book called "Trapped: Michael Jackson and the Cross Over Dream" by Dave Marsh who was a rock music critic and a huge Bruce Springsteen fan at that. I think he even worked for Springsteen at some capacity (official biographer)? In any case, this book was written and published after Thriller and before Bad, so during the highest peak of MJ's career. There were no allegations, no "extensive plastic surgery", MJ was highly successful and as squeaky clean as possible. Now, I haven't read the book itself, I am just taking my impressions of it from the analysis in "Otherness", but it seems to be so full of vitriol already for no reason. The author basically bashes him through a whole book for not being the kind of black person the author wants him to be. (Mind you, the author is a white guy.) He criticizes him for not being more political like Springsteen (of course, Springsteen's way of being a rock star is the only way for this white, Springsteen stanning rock critic), for not being some kind of Malcolm X who uses his music in the service of political and social issues. The nerve of a white rock critic preaching at a black artist about how to be "authentically black"... Not to mention, I disagree that MJ didn't use his music in service of social issues. Only his message was not one of division (like a lot of these more political artists' is) but that of unity. Something that a lot of people on every continent and every political affiliation could relate to and that brings together people, doesn't create more divide and hostility. Which is what we would need more of these days as well. So yeah, the hate and vitriol towards him in the media was already there before anything they later claimed the hate and vitriol was the result of. Which reinforces the idea that the media's hostility to MJ wasn't caused by the allegations or any other later controversy. They simply were useful for them and of course it explains why (with few exceptions) they never treated him fairly during the allegations either. |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Mar 13, 2024 9:52:32 GMT
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Mar 15, 2024 13:07:30 GMT
The person that originally uploaded this got butthurt that others uploaded it, has taken it down and is now charging people 50 dollars to hear it and any other exclusive stuff they upload. Why is everyone that has rare material like this |
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Post by aazzaabb on Mar 15, 2024 18:29:28 GMT
The person that originally uploaded this got butthurt that others uploaded it, has taken it down and is now charging people 50 dollars to hear it and any other exclusive stuff they upload. Why is everyone that has rare material like this Arrogance; they see themselves as gatekeepers and saviours of MJ’s legacy if they’re not already seeing themselves as victims. They eat up the attention and relish the bit of fan fame, notoriety. They’re hilarious bless them. |
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Post by amaya on Mar 15, 2024 22:42:55 GMT
The person that originally uploaded this got butthurt that others uploaded it, has taken it down and is now charging people 50 dollars to hear it and any other exclusive stuff they upload. Why is everyone that has rare material like this Arrogance; they see themselves as gatekeepers and saviours of MJ’s legacy if they’re not already seeing themselves as victims. They eat up the attention and relish the bit of fan fame, notoriety. They’re hilarious bless them. Sad but true. Also quite sad that not even the MJ fandom is immune to asshole hoarders like this. |
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Post by SoCav on Mar 15, 2024 22:51:45 GMT
Arrogance; they see themselves as gatekeepers and saviours of MJ’s legacy if they’re not already seeing themselves as victims. They eat up the attention and relish the bit of fan fame, notoriety. They’re hilarious bless them. Sad but true. Also quite sad that not even the MJ fandom is immune to asshole hoarders like this. The MJ fan world is sadly actually much worse in this regard than other fanbases I've been a part of. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Mar 17, 2024 2:05:08 GMT
Arrogance; they see themselves as gatekeepers and saviours of MJ’s legacy if they’re not already seeing themselves as victims. They eat up the attention and relish the bit of fan fame, notoriety. They’re hilarious bless them. Sad but true. Also quite sad that not even the MJ fandom is immune to asshole hoarders like this. Too true. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Mar 17, 2024 2:05:48 GMT
Sad but true. Also quite sad that not even the MJ fandom is immune to asshole hoarders like this. The MJ fan world is sadly actually much worse in this regard than other fanbases I've been a part of. Same. |
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Post by respect77 on Mar 19, 2024 10:45:55 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Mar 19, 2024 11:00:45 GMT
A friend of mine stayed in London for a couple of more days and she went to ABBA Voyage. It's basically some type of "hologram" show - they are called avatars. Anyway, the woman posted pictures from the booklet that showed the making of. To me it seems like the technology is similar with that they made the skeleton dance in Ghosts, so I was wondering if they could use that data to create an authentic MJ "avatar", rather than making an avatar of an impersonator like in Slave to the Rhythm which I see as pointless?
I'm not interested in holograms/avatars of MJ impersonators, but if they could make an avatar of MJ himself somehow extracted from data like the above or 2D film (maybe as AI technology develops too) then I'd be interested.
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