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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Apr 21, 2024 5:59:57 GMT
Seriously ive got seany o kanes mj innocent account on twitter having a go at me because i dared to criticize their support of matt fiddes. Daring to question my fandom because i only set up an account so i could follow respect and tscm posts as it wouldnt let me read without one. I dont do twitter bar the basics as said above.heck I remember when seany turned up on the scene acting like he was the best thing since sliced bread š¤¦š¼āāļøand getting kicked off big brother in two mins. Silly f*** was prob in nappies when i was on message boards defending MJ yet they think im not a fan cause im not sat in twitter defending mj against every weirdo thats on it. And god forbid i criticize fiddes.I think ive paid my dues since the early 90ās writing letters to newspapers and been on message boardsš¤¦š¼āāļø A few days ago he declared his own account the best MJ defense account on X. While he's absolutely ignorant even about the most basic things. For example, the other day he was trying to raise havoc because he found out that supposedly Jesus Salas still works at Neverland. And he was a prosecution witness in 2005. So he was trying to rile up the fandom against him and the Estate for still employing him (I'm not even sure it's the Estate that employs him, Neverland has been bought by Ron Burke). This fool doesn't know that witnesses don't get to choose which side calls them and just because someone was called by the prosecution it doesn't mean they were hostile to MJ. Salas wasn't. Just like several other prosecution witnesses (the flight attendant, George Lopez, Kiki Fournier Debbie Rowe etc) their testimonies were actually good for the defense. Luckily Charles also jumped in to explain it to him how it works, so he deleted the tweet. But this dude is going around saying his own account is the best MJ defense/innocence advocacy account on X. And this is just one example of how much of a fool Seany is. His ignorance is only topped by his narcissism. He acts like he's some leader of MJ's defense on X and he talks in plural ("we at MJInnoncentUK concluded" etc) as if his account is some organization. He's cringe af. Not long ago he also attacked another new fan account, accusing them of being a hater without any evidence. (I haven't seen any hater stuff on their account and Seany couldn't provide anything either.) I recently learned that Seany was in Big Brother (Ireland or UK, I don't know) a few years ago and he seems like a massive attention seeker to me. Yeah i saw that post about jesus salas. Did he not follow the case? Probably not as from what i remember he only came on the fan scene around 2006. At the same time as a few other new fans who gave the same impression which tbh made the old timers roll their eyes at the newbies who thought they knew it all.I remember him in the queue at the WMA awards in London walking around like the big Iam . Yeah he went on the uk big brother show not long after if i remember correct. He was one of those who came in abit later but only lasted 2 mins. Possibly voted out on the first opportunity. Because as you say he gave a bad impression as someone who was just an attention seeking š¤¬ i was friends with him on my MJ f.book account for a good amount of years but ended up unfriended him rather than unfollow as i couldnt be doing with all his arent i wonderful type posts. He or others running the twitter account obviously cant take any criticism. |
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Apr 21, 2024 6:16:06 GMT
The silly f*** just realised who Iam on twitter. Sorry that makes me sound important when im not. Then sends me a private message asking if im genuine. Seriously what is he the MJ fandom police.like i have to prove anything to him.But oh well if it makes him feel like a tit for two mins Iāll take it. Shall i squeeze a whining apology out of him or let him festerš¤¦š¼āāļø
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Post by SoCav on Apr 21, 2024 7:46:44 GMT
Imo a lot of it has to do with how the material has been presented. Almost all of the demos that have come out (actually quite a lot by now) have been released without any fanfare, in tampered form or indefensibly crap quality.Ā Had they been treated like the little gems that they are, then I think a lot of people would have had way more interest in them. Because if you don't particularly like a song, there's always an interesting backstory that could be told which could give more insight into how MJ worked, and how the albums that finally were released and went on to make history came to be.Ā It's a finite supply of material and they've wasted so much of it. There's still quite a bit left, including demos of songs that did get released - more than enough to create interesting projects around. But it's a shame we got to know killer songs like Hollywood Tonight the way we did. And this is why I'm definitely not jumping on the Branca bandwagon either. MJ fans often refer to the Prince posthumous releases as to how it's done right. Notwithstanding the fact the Prince Estate has a lot more material to work with in that regard, I haven't really seen those Prince unreleased songs set the world afire either no matter how well those releases were done. I think such things are simply only interest the hard core fandom. Not saying the hardcore fandom shouldn't get anything but my argument is simply that I stopped looking at the release of formerly unreleased material as the holy grail of how to manage a posthumous career. Those things don't actually move that much for keeping up a legacy IMO. They mainly remain in the bubble of the hard core fandom. Now a musical, a biopic on the other hand... I actually have more criticism for the Estate for not updating more of MJ's videos to HQ/4K on YouTube. MJ was the king of music videos it's inexcusable that Billie Jean or Smooth Criminal or Bad etc is still in 480p. I don't think the situation with the Prince Estate is entirely comparable. They indeed have much more material to work with, Prince is simply not nearly as popular as MJ, and there is less of an incentive to spotlight those outtakes because Prince is already getting revered as the musical genius he was. While I love those big boxsets as a fan, I'm not sure releasing 40 outtakes all at once is the best strategy either. I've even heard people who are into Prince say they've refrained from exploring the outtakes because there are simply too many released all at once. But at least those boxsets do help to deepen the understanding of the different areas of his career, and highlight his work in a classy, high quality manner. We don't have anything comparable for MJ. It's not that I don't see the purpose of things like the Cirque show, musical and biopic - they generate a ton of revenue, help keep MJ's name out there, and may get more people to check MJ out. But my belief is that in the long run, it's the work of the artist that matters. No one is going to remember or care that there was a successful musical 20 years from now, it's MJ's work that has the staying power and that is going to have to continue carrying his legacy. Of course he built the foundation for that with everything he's released during his lifetime, but why not add to that and expose more people to what he's done? He's still massively underrated as an artist by many people (even many casual fans don't realize how many of his songs he wrote, for example), so there's a lot to reclaim here. So what I don't get is why they never use these short term projects as springboards to launch things that focus on MJ's own work. Get the attention with the musical and use it to draw people's attention to a (high quality) live release, boxset, or the release of new 4k videos at the same time. Same with the remixes: get attention by collaborating with some big artist and use that to draw attention to MJ's own outtakes. Have a docuseries ready to release in the wake of the biopic (no, not Taj's), that shows us who the real MJ was, etc. Instead, they focus entirely on their own creations. Anything that they've released that's actually centered around MJ's work has been released as an afterthought and in terrible quality. It's a massive missed opportunity. Plus, disregarding and alienating your hardcore fanbase (let alone treating them with downright disdain, as the Estate has done at multiple times) is never a smart strategy. Those are the people who will carry the water for you during down periods, and who will keep MJ's name out there 20/30 years from now. |
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Apr 21, 2024 7:54:21 GMT
I think branca views it as a business ,which to an extent it is. Its all about the bottom line $ so they concentrate on the big money makers,muscials films etc . Branca is more money buisness focused. Mclain was more the music side but tbh did/has he taken a back seat due to age an illness. You prob need someone on the music side with a real pssion for mjs music rather tian just thinking about the bottom line. Ifs a difficult medium to please everyone
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Post by Yaza on Apr 21, 2024 8:59:48 GMT
I disagree that the demos released received little fanfare, they perform really well on YouTube and routinely do the rounds on social media as evidence of Michaelās unique song-writing process. The estate has done a good job with large-scale profitable projects geared towards the general public but they have neglected projects on the more creative side that fans of his music would appreciate. I assume that because they make so much return from these big projects, their stance is that concentrating time and effort on smaller projects is ineffective. Yes. Theyāve definitely always been about the large-scale profitable projects. I remember when Bad25 was released there was a very average review in one of the UK music magazines. Possibly it was in the now defunct Q Magazine. It contained the usual snooty remarks and if I remember correctly remarked that MJ resembled a ladyboy. Honestly, only with MJ have they ever gotten away with such grossly unfair and offensive remarks.Ā I couldnāt imagine the music press giving a Michael Jackson super deluxe box set a fair review. Not that MJ needs them. A lot of them would probably outright not even review it. I could see a review in The Guardian using it as an opportunity to virtue signal and take the usual self righteous indignation approach.Ā As much as I adore Bad25 and believe itās the best project the estate had released thus far, it was still far from perfect. I think Bad can still do with a super deluxe treatment, especially with the new technology. The interest and demand will always be there. I do agree with the sentiment that now is not the best time to prioritise unreleased music. |
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Post by Yaza on Apr 21, 2024 9:11:45 GMT
MJ fans often refer to the Prince posthumous releases as to how it's done right. Notwithstanding the fact the Prince Estate has a lot more material to work with in that regard, I haven't really seen those Prince unreleased songs set the world afire either no matter how well those releases were done. I think such things are simply only interest the hard core fandom. Not saying the hardcore fandom shouldn't get anything but my argument is simply that I stopped looking at the release of formerly unreleased material as the holy grail of how to manage a posthumous career. Those things don't actually move that much for keeping up a legacy IMO. They mainly remain in the bubble of the hard core fandom. Now a musical, a biopic on the other hand... I actually have more criticism for the Estate for not updating more of MJ's videos to HQ/4K on YouTube. MJ was the king of music videos it's inexcusable that Billie Jean or Smooth Criminal or Bad etc is still in 480p. I don't think the situation with the Prince Estate is entirely comparable. They indeed have much more material to work with, Prince is simply not nearly as popular as MJ, and there is less of an incentive to spotlight those outtakes because Prince is already getting revered as the musical genius he was. While I love those big boxsets as a fan, I'm not sure releasing 40 outtakes all at once is the best strategy either. I've even heard people who are into Prince say they've refrained from exploring the outtakes because there are simply too many released all at once. But at least those boxsets do help to deepen the understanding of the different areas of his career, and highlight his work in a classy, high quality manner. We don't have anything comparable for MJ. It's not that I don't see the purpose of things like the Cirque show, musical and biopic - they generate a ton of revenue, help keep MJ's name out there, and may get more people to check MJ out. But my belief is that in the long run, it's the work of the artist that matters. No one is going to remember or care that there was a successful musical 20 years from now, it's MJ's work that has the staying power and that is going to have to continue carrying his legacy. Of course he built the foundation for that with everything he's released during his lifetime, but why not add to that and expose more people to what he's done? He's still massively underrated as an artist by many people (even many casual fans don't realize how many of his songs he wrote, for example), so there's a lot to reclaim here. So what I don't get is why they never use these short term projects as springboards to launch things that focus on MJ's own work. Get the attention with the musical and use it to draw people's attention to a (high quality) live release, boxset, or the release of new 4k videos at the same time. Same with the remixes: get attention by collaborating with some big artist and use that to draw attention to MJ's own outtakes. Have a docuseries ready to release in the wake of the biopic (no, not Taj's), that shows us who the real MJ was, etc. Instead, they focus entirely on their own creations. Anything that they've released that's actually centered around MJ's work has been released as an afterthought and in terrible quality. It's a massive missed opportunity. Plus, disregarding and alienating your hardcore fanbase (let alone treating them with downright disdain, as the Estate has done at multiple times) is never a smart strategy. Those are the people who will carry the water for you during down periods, and who will keep MJ's name out there 20/30 years from now. Well said. The lack of care and attention given to Michaelās outtakes, demos, and other areas of his creative process has been a huge missed opportunity and more damaging, it has helped perpetuate the myth that Michael wasnāt the man behind the magic. You see this very clearly in a lot in Michael vs Prince debates. |
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Post by respect77 on Apr 21, 2024 9:28:30 GMT
He's still massively underrated as an artist by many people (even many casual fans don't realize how many of his songs he wrote, for example), so there's a lot to reclaim here. I somehow don't think that people who are too lazy to even look up who wrote Billie Jean will check for posthumous hard core fan pleasing projects like the release of unreleased tracks to realize the creative force that MJ was. On the other hand a biopic, if well done, can hammer it home effectively that MJ wrote most of his biggest songs. (And I definitely hope this will be the case.) I do agree that we need more high quality documentaries focused on his music to draw attention to his creative genius. Unfortunately so far none of these documentaries that came out really did that. Either because the documentaries were just mediocre and/or they weren't well promoted. I think it's also a problem that MJ is not alive. So when they make a documentary about one of his albums he's not there to tell his side of the story, to tell about his creative process, how he wrote certain songs and as a result it always ends up being the story of others not really MJ's own. Like we have Siedah in Bad 25 telling about how she wrote MITM, but MJ is not there to tell about how he wrote 9 out of 11 songs on that album. It's always his collaborators talking and thus it gives the impression that it's all them who did the creative work. This is something that cannot be changed unfortunately as he's dead, but a movie actually can put his creative process in the focus. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against the release of unreleased songs as fan pleasers. I'd be happy to hear more of them. I just don't think they are the holy grail in keeping a legacy alive and lasting. I think it's more important to keep MJ's released material in good condition (like upgrade his videos to better quality on YouTube etc). And yes, sometimes they miss obvious opportunities like I think it'd be great if they released The Making of Thriller in high quality as it hasn't been released since the VHS era and that's outrageous considering it's one of the most successful Making of videos of all time. Thriller 40 would have been a great opportunity for that, for example. |
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Post by Yaza on Apr 21, 2024 9:59:58 GMT
He's still massively underrated as an artist by many people (even many casual fans don't realize how many of his songs he wrote, for example), so there's a lot to reclaim here. I somehow don't think that people who are too lazy to even look up who wrote Billie Jean will check for posthumous hard core fan pleasing projects like the release of unreleased tracks to realize the creative force that MJ was. On the other hand a biopic, if well done, can hammer it home effectively that MJ wrote most of his biggest songs. (And I definitely hope this will be the case.) I do agree that we need more high quality documentaries focused on his music to draw attention to his creative genius. Unfortunately so far none of these documentaries that came out really did that. Either because the documentaries were just mediocre and/or they weren't well promoted. I think it's also a problem that MJ is not alive. So when they make a documentary about one of his albums he's not there to tell his side of the story, to tell about his creative process, how he wrote certain songs and as a result it always ends up being the story of others not really MJ's own. Like we have Siedah in Bad 25 telling about how she wrote MITM, but MJ is not there to tell about how he wrote 9 out of 11 songs on that album. It's always his collaborators talking and thus it gives the impression that it's all them who did the creative work. This is something that cannot be changed unfortunately as he's dead, but a movie actually can put his creative process in the focus. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against the release of unreleased songs as fan pleasers. I'd be happy to hear more of them. I just don't think they are the holy grail in keeping a legacy alive and lasting. I think it's more important to keep MJ's released material in good condition (like upgrade his videos to better quality on YouTube etc). And yes, sometimes they miss obvious opportunities like I think it'd be great if they released The Making of Thriller in high quality as it hasn't been released since the VHS era and that's outrageous considering it's one of the most successful Making of videos of all time. Thriller 40 would have been a great opportunity for that, for example. Imagine the impact a short clip on the official YouTube page documenting Michaelās unique song-writing process would have. I have seen fan made videos using the home demos go viral and the reactions are always in shock/awe. Many are clueless and itās the estateās job to educate. This one focusing on Beat It for example has 19 million views, youtube.com/shorts/meYf69tc4O4?si=tHp7jH6ehjqfoQfu |
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Post by SoCav on Apr 21, 2024 10:32:11 GMT
He's still massively underrated as an artist by many people (even many casual fans don't realize how many of his songs he wrote, for example), so there's a lot to reclaim here. I somehow don't think that people who are too lazy to even look up who wrote Billie Jean will check for posthumous hard core fan pleasing projects like the release of unreleased tracks to realize the creative force that MJ was. On the other hand a biopic, if well done, can hammer it home effectively that MJ wrote most of his biggest songs. (And I definitely hope this will be the case.) I do agree that we need more high quality documentaries focused on his music to draw attention to his creative genius. Unfortunately so far none of these documentaries that came out really did that. Either because the documentaries were just mediocre and/or they weren't well promoted. I think it's also a problem that MJ is not alive. So when they make a documentary about one of his albums he's not there to tell his side of the story, to tell about his creative process, how he wrote certain songs and as a result it always ends up being the story of others not really MJ's own. Like we have Siedah in Bad 25 telling about how she wrote MITM, but MJ is not there to tell about how he wrote 9 out of 11 songs on that album. It's always his collaborators talking and thus it gives the impression that it's all them who did the creative work. This is something that cannot be changed unfortunately as he's dead, but a movie actually can put his creative process in the focus. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against the release of unreleased songs as fan pleasers. I'd be happy to hear more of them. I just don't think they are the holy grail in keeping a legacy alive and lasting. I think it's more important to keep MJ's released material in good condition (like upgrade his videos to better quality on YouTube etc). And yes, sometimes they miss obvious opportunities like I think it'd be great if they released The Making of Thriller in high quality as it hasn't been released since the VHS era and that's outrageous considering it's one of the most successful Making of videos of all time. Thriller 40 would have been a great opportunity for that, for example. As Yaz points out, I wouldn't underestimate the impact even just having some of the stuff that reveals his artistic process on YouTube can have. Regarding the documentaries: I agree that thus far they have not had an impact, but imo that's because they're just really uninspired, and also badly distributed and promoted. Didn't the Bad documentary get aired months after Bad 25 was released? We know what happened with the recent Thriller documentary... But most importantly, content wise they're just the kinda tv documentaries with talking heads that make for ok Sunday evening viewing, but nothing more. I disagree that MJ not being here means they cannot do much better. That may apply to artists from prior eras, but we know MJ filmed so much of his life that they could easily abandon the tired talking head-format and build an entire docuseries around footage of Michael. Even if some of that is lost (another frustrating aspect about this Estate - they don't seem to care much about finding and archiving material, when this should be the first thing they do before it deteriorates completely), just from the stuff they've shown us snippets of in the documentaries, we know there's more than enough. It's really not that hard: when on display, Michael's brilliance and appeal is undeniable, so just show it! It is what This Is It got so right. I saw so many reviews, by both professionals and random people, refer to small moments like him humming the WBSS bassline or being so respectful to his band. You also saw it with the recent We Are The World documentary - just the few short clips of MJ recording got people talking. As fans I think we sometimes forget that most people don't know anything besides the music, a handful of short films, and a ton of tabloid nonsense. Seeing the the great songwriter, involved professional, and wonderful guy we knew he was is a true revelation to them. Sure, the biopic can help to set the record straight on some things. But while it will garner tons of attention, a scripted movie scene is never going to be as convincing as footage of the actual MJ. So I hope they use the attention they'll get and money they'll earn to spotlight the latter too. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Apr 21, 2024 11:14:33 GMT
I somehow don't think that people who are too lazy to even look up who wrote Billie Jean will check for posthumous hard core fan pleasing projects like the release of unreleased tracks to realize the creative force that MJ was. On the other hand a biopic, if well done, can hammer it home effectively that MJ wrote most of his biggest songs. (And I definitely hope this will be the case.) I do agree that we need more high quality documentaries focused on his music to draw attention to his creative genius. Unfortunately so far none of these documentaries that came out really did that. Either because the documentaries were just mediocre and/or they weren't well promoted. I think it's also a problem that MJ is not alive. So when they make a documentary about one of his albums he's not there to tell his side of the story, to tell about his creative process, how he wrote certain songs and as a result it always ends up being the story of others not really MJ's own. Like we have Siedah in Bad 25 telling about how she wrote MITM, but MJ is not there to tell about how he wrote 9 out of 11 songs on that album. It's always his collaborators talking and thus it gives the impression that it's all them who did the creative work. This is something that cannot be changed unfortunately as he's dead, but a movie actually can put his creative process in the focus. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against the release of unreleased songs as fan pleasers. I'd be happy to hear more of them. I just don't think they are the holy grail in keeping a legacy alive and lasting. I think it's more important to keep MJ's released material in good condition (like upgrade his videos to better quality on YouTube etc). And yes, sometimes they miss obvious opportunities like I think it'd be great if they released The Making of Thriller in high quality as it hasn't been released since the VHS era and that's outrageous considering it's one of the most successful Making of videos of all time. Thriller 40 would have been a great opportunity for that, for example. As Yaz points out, I wouldn't underestimate the impact even just having some of the stuff that reveals his artistic process on YouTube can have. Regarding the documentaries: I agree that thus far they have not had an impact, but imo that's because they're just really uninspired, and also badly distributed and promoted. Didn't the Bad documentary get aired months after Bad 25 was released? We know what happened with the recent Thriller documentary... But most importantly, content wise they're just the kinda tv documentaries with talking heads that make for ok Sunday evening viewing, but nothing more. I disagree that MJ not being here means they cannot do much better. That may apply to artists from prior eras, but we know MJ filmed so much of his life that they could easily abandon the tired talking head-format and build an entire docuseries around footage of Michael. Even if some of that is lost (another frustrating aspect about this Estate - they don't seem to care much about finding and archiving material, when this should be the first thing they do before it deteriorates completely), just from the stuff they've shown us snippets of in the documentaries, we know there's more than enough. It's really not that hard: when on display, Michael's brilliance and appeal is undeniable, so just show it! It is what This Is It got so right. I saw so many reviews, by both professionals and random people, refer to small moments like him humming the WBSS bassline or being so respectful to his band. You also saw it with the recent We Are The World documentary - just the few short clips of MJ recording got people talking. As fans I think we sometimes forget that most people don't know anything besides the music, a handful of short films, and a ton of tabloid nonsense. Seeing the the great songwriter, involved professional, and wonderful guy we knew he was is a true revelation to them. Sure, the biopic can help to set the record straight on some things. But while it will garner tons of attention, a scripted movie scene is never going to be as convincing as footage of the actual MJ. So I hope they use the attention they'll get and money they'll earn to spotlight the latter too. SoCav, you make some great points and I agree with all of them. I think for me personally -and I realise youāre chatting with Respect here- Itās just become less of an obsession and priority. You could spend your life waiting, hoping, wishing. One thing I do hope is that the biopic will be the beginning of a new phase and if it brings with it new fans then the estate really could and should set up a legacy department for unreleased material. The promise of this biopic being a big important film and the reaction to the musical have made me optimistic for the future. As Respect has mentioned, I feel they should begin by just remastering the short films and also the Making of Thriller and Ghosts also. I know Captain EO is a Disney film but Iād also love if they could negotiate some sort of deal to release it along with creating a whole documentary around its creation. Likewise for Ghosts. But it is what it is. Iām at peace with it all. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Apr 21, 2024 11:23:32 GMT
Yes. Theyāve definitely always been about the large-scale profitable projects. I remember when Bad25 was released there was a very average review in one of the UK music magazines. Possibly it was in the now defunct Q Magazine. It contained the usual snooty remarks and if I remember correctly remarked that MJ resembled a ladyboy. Honestly, only with MJ have they ever gotten away with such grossly unfair and offensive remarks. I couldnāt imagine the music press giving a Michael Jackson super deluxe box set a fair review. Not that MJ needs them. A lot of them would probably outright not even review it. I could see a review in The Guardian using it as an opportunity to virtue signal and take the usual self righteous indignation approach. As much as I adore Bad25 and believe itās the best project the estate had released thus far, it was still far from perfect. I think Bad can still do with a super deluxe treatment, especially with the new technology. The interest and demand will always be there. I do agree with the sentiment that now is not the best time to prioritise unreleased music. If I could get a Bad release with everything thatās already been released, minus the modern remixes but including the 12ā Extended Mixes plus Throwing Your Life Away and Chicago 1945 mixed and mastered to perfection, then Iād be happy. I donāt think weāll ever see big twelve inch super deluxe box sets for MJ. Iād love it of course, but itās always been a less is more way of doing things. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Apr 21, 2024 11:39:18 GMT
I think ultimately, with popular music, itās all about having a good song. One really good song thatās universally loved that people can hum, whistle, sing or bop along to is what itās all about. Michael knew that as early as his days at Motown. One good song over a dozen half baked demos. Sure, those half baked demos can help tell the story and join some of the dots, but ultimately a good song is what resonates, emotes and stays with people. People will revisit a good song again and again.
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Post by pg13 on Apr 21, 2024 13:10:26 GMT
As much as I adore Bad25 and believe itās the best project the estate had released thus far, it was still far from perfect. I think Bad can still do with a super deluxe treatment, especially with the new technology. The interest and demand will always be there. I do agree with the sentiment that now is not the best time to prioritise unreleased music. If I could get a Bad release with everything thatās already been released, minus the modern remixes but including the 12ā Extended Mixes plus Throwing Your Life Away and Chicago 1945 mixed and mastered to perfection, then Iād be happy. I donāt think weāll ever see big twelve inch super deluxe box sets for MJ. Iād love it of course, but itās always been a less is more way of doing things.Ā Michael's philosophy was always less is more which was why he would leave us hanging for a few years in between albums/eras. That was a key part in his having high sales whilst releasing fewer albums than his nearest competitors. Many fans forget that, especially seeing as most of them have been demanding more, more, more since Michael died. Giving the truth to the depiction of fans in Speed Demon being as carnivorous as others during Michael's life. Insatiable. Like you, I'm at peace with it all and other things have my focus these days. What Michael left behind in terms of solo material isn't a lot in terms of quantity, but it was a LOT of material in terms of quality. And quality is what allows his work to live on long after death. So, anything posthumous should be viewed as a bonus or nice to have but not strictly necessary. |
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Post by pg13 on Apr 21, 2024 13:13:25 GMT
The estate projects have been mostly shit and too few and far between. Thriller 40 was a fail. Sorry, not going to join the Branca love train. I don't think anyone is on a Branca "love train". If anything, it's a pragmatic train that also points out some facts which are often overlooked by some. |
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Post by SoCav on Apr 21, 2024 13:41:56 GMT
I feel like we're talking about slightly different things here. I too am at peace with things, in the sense that all of this is not something I regularly think about. I will when we're discussing it here, but that's about it. I rarely listen to MJ's music to begin with and it's been that way for years. I don't get my hopes up about releases because they'll likely disappoint, and that's okay. Most of us here are oldtimers who were around when MJ was releasing projects himself, so know the excitement we'd feel back in the day (when we were all quite a bit younger too) can't be replicated anyway. It's fine!
But just because it doesn't personally faze me/us, doesn't mean the Estate shouldn't be doing much better imo. When I compare what they've done to other estates, I can't help but conclude that while it may have been solid financially, it's mostly been a disaster creatively and in terms of managing MJ's artistic reputation. (Of course our opinions may differ about this.)
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