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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 14:55:16 GMT
They're his children. Their race or whether biological is 100% irrelevant to me. That's my input.
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Post by TonyR on Jul 27, 2020 15:48:24 GMT
Yes the jackson have a distintive look but not all of them have it. Jermaines kids amongst others with maldonado (i think) look nothing like jacksons. Some of randys kids. Jackies kids dont stand out to me as jacksons. Tarryl and some of jerms are the obvious standouts.blanket was a mini mj when he was younger. Not much now though.mjs kids are mixed race.but then obmama gets called americas first black president. Comes from the jim crow days where if you had any black in you you were classed as black. So the kids got "lucky" in not having brown skin.and therefore society deems them as white Only joes brother had kids with a fair white woman and as i said above he certainly doesnt look like a jackson. Judging ppls genetics based on what they look like isnt the art of science.if mjs kids looked black there wouldnt be a discussion on it. and it does annoy me why it was brought up back in he day. It was created by the media and their hatred for mj and the agenda they like to push.so it does frustrate me that some fans question it based off their looks or is their a logical non media racist reason as to why mj wouldnt have his own? I don't think you can fully blame the media for this one. In many ways it played directly into their hands. Look at it from a non-fan's perspective... A man who supposedly bleached his skin & changed many of his black features (yes, yes, yes I know....) then has children so are white, blue eyed & then dyed the hair blonde. Maybe, it was part of the body dysmorphia I think MJ had. He just didn't want his kids to look like him/Joe. Incredibly sad if true. The Madonna comparison is irrelevant, those kids know they were adopted and know they were from Malawi - nothing else is being claimed. I can already see some virtue signalling in this thread. Like I say, MJ was their father and seemingly a great one at that. No-one is disputing it. I just think it's a very interesting discussion. But yes I do agree with Respect's point also that if it's possible they read this then it's not nice. Hence why I've never really brought it up before. But I'm sure they have much better things to do that read this!
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Post by MattyJam on Jul 27, 2020 15:55:39 GMT
But I'm sure they have much better things to do that read this! Unlike us. lol
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jul 27, 2020 16:00:29 GMT
don't think you can fully blame the media for this one. In many ways it played directly into their hands. Look at it from a non-fan's perspective...
A man who supposedly bleached his skin & changed many of his black features (yes, yes, yes I know....) then has children so are white, blue eyed & then dyed the --------- Yeah but where did that gen public thought process originate? the media. because they said mj bleeched his skin cause he wanted to be white. They didnt educate ppl about the disease. He straightened his hair like james brown, al sharpton etc etc. had nose jobs cause od joe/lupus etc. It was all built up over time. To be fair only paris has blue ish green eyes.blanket is far from aryan looking.tbh i doubt joe public knew then or now about jrs hair. Its just why is this an issue with mj? Would it have been if the media hadnt pushed the self hatred mantra.does it happen with other mixed race kids of celebs who dont look a certain way?
It just frustrates me that its even discussed because they dont look a certain way does that happen to others?.yes as has been shown on here it can be discussed interms of wanting to get away from joes genes for eg but the bottom line it comes from them not looking a certain way which to me is wrong on so many levels. God help a mixed race person who looks too white if thats the way they are judged or is it ok for joe bloggs as their dad wasnt a skin bleaching hair strightening weirdo who the media spent 30 years pushing a narrative
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Post by respect77 on Jul 27, 2020 16:04:06 GMT
The Madonna comparison is irrelevant, those kids know they were adopted and know they were from Malawi - nothing else is being claimed.
What his kids know or what they care to know is their business alone IMO. I am sure they could make a DNA test if they really cared. Maybe they just don't. Who are we to be bothered on their behalf?
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Post by WildStyle on Jul 27, 2020 16:09:36 GMT
At the end of the day y'all are guessing and I would be too. I really don't know. Yes, Prince and Paris look strictly white. On the other hand... Prince has vitiligo and I've seen a picture of Thriller era Mike put through one of those girl filters and it looked exactly like Paris. Then you have Bigi who resembled MJ as a kid and now has his same body type. So, yeah... I don't know. And it doesn't really matter either.
I will say I think some fans are obsessed with it because they want a piece of Michael to cling on to now that he's gone. It's kind of messed up butit's almost like they want another Michael to transfer their love to. That's why fans are so obsessed with Bigi. Because he resembled Mike as a child. I can only imagine if he had a kid that was walking around today looking like 1978 Michael. They wouldn't leave that poor kid alone.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jul 27, 2020 16:10:25 GMT
Jr cant sing or dance. so thats it for me 😆😉.
--------------- will say I think some fans are obsessed with it because they want a piece of Michael to cling on to now that he's gone. It's kind of messed up butit's almost like they want another Michael to transfer their love to. That's why fans are so obsessed with Bigi. Because he resembled Mike as a child. I can only imagine if he had a kid that was walking around today looking like 1978 Michael. They wouldn't leave that poor kid alone. ----------- Yeah that is defo true interms of being obsessed with the kids in a general sense. But for me the issue is the discussion itself and why it comes up because of their looks.and why that opinion was seeded.as others say they are mj kids regardless and i certainly wouldnt think or care any different of them if they are anounced tomorrow they werent his blood. Im sure we are all proud when over the years we saw jr speaking with such confidence beyond his years and doibg his charity stuff. Mj instilled that in him and hes very much his fathers son regardless
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Post by MattyJam on Jul 27, 2020 16:12:43 GMT
Which is why I don't like these kind of discussions. Yeah, I know it's unlikely they would ever bump into this forum, but they whole thing still feels intrusive/voyeuristic to me. I feel like it's their business alone. Well, his skin condition or surgery or even the allegations are also none of our business but we still discuss them. I'm not saying it's all fair game, but this is an MJ forum where we discuss his personal life as well as his art. I'm not sure how comfortable I would be as a mod dictating what aspects of his personal life can be discussed and which should be off limits. I think it was different when the kids were younger, but they're adults themselves now and will forever be discussed in relation to their father, so I guess I just see the whole thing as an inevitability which both they and the fanbase need to accept.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 27, 2020 16:28:03 GMT
What his kids know or what they care to know is their business alone IMO. I am sure they could make a DNA test if they really cared. Maybe they just don't. Who are we to be bothered on their behalf? Well, his skin condition or surgery or even the allegations are also none of our business but we still discuss them. I'm not saying it's all fair game, but this is an MJ forum where we discuss his personal life as well as his art. I'm not sure how comfortable I would be as a mod dictating what aspects of his personal life can be discussed and which should be off limits. I think it was different when the kids were younger, but they're adults themselves now and will forever be discussed in relation to their father, so I guess I just see the whole thing as an inevitability which both they and the fanbase need to accept. I knew someone would bring up us discussing the allegations, but that is completely different. There he is accused of a serious crime. For us to be able to defend him we have to get into private aspects of his life that are intrusive. By nature, these allegations in themselves are intrusive. I don't like discussing the allegations. I wouldn't mind it if I never had to again. But unfortunately that's not an option if we want to defend his legacy, as we have seen last year. We aren't discussing the allegations for gossip's sake, at least I don't.
His surgeries etc. have always been a boring topic to me, and something I never understood the obsession with ever since I was a child. So he had plastic surgeries? Who cares? I don't care how many he had, either. So basically my attitude towards that is the same as the topic of his children.
BTW, I didn't ask you to ban the thread, I was just voicing my opinion about it.
I guess my problem is that this man gets dissected to no end, every aspect of his life scrutinized and judged by complete strangers over and over again. Imagine living a life like that! And even 11 years after his death. It's a good thing none of us experienced what it is like to be him. But maybe that's why we can't really judge him for whatever choices he made that might be puzzling to us.
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Post by MattyJam on Jul 27, 2020 16:42:39 GMT
Well, his skin condition or surgery or even the allegations are also none of our business but we still discuss them. I'm not saying it's all fair game, but this is an MJ forum where we discuss his personal life as well as his art. I'm not sure how comfortable I would be as a mod dictating what aspects of his personal life can be discussed and which should be off limits. I think it was different when the kids were younger, but they're adults themselves now and will forever be discussed in relation to their father, so I guess I just see the whole thing as an inevitability which both they and the fanbase need to accept. I knew someone would bring up us discussing the allegations, but that is completely different. There he is accused of a serious crime. For us to be able to defend him we have to get into private aspects of his life that are intrusive. By nature, these allegations in themselves are intrusive. I don't like discussing the allegations. I wouldn't mind it if I never had to again. But unfortunately that's not an option if we want to defend his legacy, as we have seen last year. We aren't discussing the allegations for gossip's sake, at least I don't.
His surgeries etc. have always been a boring topic to me, and something I never understood the obsession with ever since I was a child. So he had plastic surgeries? Who cares? I don't care how many he had, either. So basically my attitude towards that is the same as the topic of his children.
BTW, I didn't ask you to ban the thread, I was just voicing my opinion about it.
Yeah, I see your point. But some folks like discussing this stuff (this thread is already more popular than any music related thread has been in a long time), so we just have to roll with it. In truth, it does bother me how dehumanized MJ has become, which the allegations played a major factor in doing. It is beneath his dignity to discuss whether or not he watched pornography, or whether he had mental health issues (who doesn't?). But unfortunately it is a result of the way MJ conducted his life, he was so unorthodox and against the grain of accepted social norms that he was always going to face this kind of treatment. At other times, I truly believe MJ enjoyed being a figure of mystery and was guilty of encouraging it. Unfortunately the allegations made it take a nasty turn and he has been dehumanized as a result. I feel sorry for the kids as none of this was their decision and they have to live with the speculation and dehumanization of their father. But what can you do? Such is the nature of celebrity.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 27, 2020 16:49:50 GMT
I knew someone would bring up us discussing the allegations, but that is completely different. There he is accused of a serious crime. For us to be able to defend him we have to get into private aspects of his life that are intrusive. By nature, these allegations in themselves are intrusive. I don't like discussing the allegations. I wouldn't mind it if I never had to again. But unfortunately that's not an option if we want to defend his legacy, as we have seen last year. We aren't discussing the allegations for gossip's sake, at least I don't.
His surgeries etc. have always been a boring topic to me, and something I never understood the obsession with ever since I was a child. So he had plastic surgeries? Who cares? I don't care how many he had, either. So basically my attitude towards that is the same as the topic of his children.
BTW, I didn't ask you to ban the thread, I was just voicing my opinion about it.
Yeah, I see your point. But some folks like discussing this stuff (this thread is already more popular than any music related thread has been in a long time), so we just have to roll with it.
Controversial, shady topics always tend to do that. That's why Gaz encouraged them and refused to ban even clear haters and trolls: because such topics tend to upset people and make them post a lot and it gave him traffic. In short term it might have achieved his goal (more traffic), but on the long term it destroyed his forum. Not saying this topic has the potential to do that. Nor that Russ is a hater/troll - before it gets misunderstood (although I do think he has a tendency to focus on negativity.) This little company here know each other for long and I don't think any of us is a hater. I just speak generally, just because a controversial topic generates more replies than a topic about music or positivity (I actually find it sad), it doesn't mean that's what needs to be encouraged. On long term that kills a forum, IMO.
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Post by WildStyle on Jul 27, 2020 17:05:23 GMT
To be frank, I think part of the reason why some fans dislike Paris is because they don't think she's his biological child. It's says a lot about how messed up human thinking can be. Not that humans having messed up thinking is news to anyone. I say Paris specifically because Prince is just too nice and easy going for anybody to ever dislike.
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Post by MattyJam on Jul 27, 2020 17:08:25 GMT
Yeah, I see your point. But some folks like discussing this stuff (this thread is already more popular than any music related thread has been in a long time), so we just have to roll with it. Controversial, shady topics always tend to do that. That's why Gaz encouraged them and refused to ban even clear haters and trolls: because such topics tend to upset people and make them post a lot and it gave him traffic. In short term it might have achieved his goal (more traffic), but on the long term it destroyed his forum. Not saying this topic has the potential to do that. Nor that Russ is a hater/troll - before it gets misunderstood (although I do think he has a tendency to focus on negativity.) This little company here know each other for long and I don't think any of us is a hater. I just speak generally, just because a controversial topic generates more replies than a topic about music or positivity (I actually find it sad), it doesn't mean that's what needs to be encouraged. On long term that kills a forum, IMO.
I didn't really stick around long enough to see the decline of MJJC. I hopped off that train to start this forum. LOL I think it's about reaching the right balance, at least that's what I hope this forum achieves. Russ does have a tendency to post "look at this" type posts which I'm sure he knows will garner a lot of attention, but then he also posts a lot of music related stuff. I think I would be more off-put by him (or anyone) if there wasn't a balance to the content he posts. Also, sometimes it is nice to discuss the controversial subjects with fans rather than haters for a change.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 27, 2020 17:11:37 GMT
To be frank, I think part of the reason why some fans dislike Paris is because they don't think she's his biological child. It's says a lot about how messed up human thinking can be. Not that humans having messed up thinking is news to anyone. I say Paris specifically because Prince is just too nice and easy going for anybody to ever dislike. Yep, especially on LSA the hate the kids receive has a lot to do with them being thought of as white. It is telling about the people who hate someone because of their race (or perceived race), though, not MJ. Many of the insults they get are not so thinly veiled racist insults.
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Post by ggbbggbb4455445544 on Jul 27, 2020 18:03:28 GMT
They’re his children. Their race or whether biological is 100% irrelevant to me. That’s my input. Innuendo, that’s what should really matter, at the end of the day. If Michael said that all three children were his (biologically) —— as their actual father —— and, Paris says that she is not only Michael’s daughter, but chooses to “identify” herself as what their father said her and her brothers were, then, I will gladly take BOTH father AND daughter at their word....as I strongly feel that they told THE TRUTH, as they felt it was to them.
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