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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 13:02:52 GMT
You’re absolutely right, that Michael was his first two children’s biological father, no matter what the children themselves look like. Mixed-race people are many variations of different physical characteristics —— such as skin-tone/-color, eye color, hair-color and -texture, height, weight, structure, figure/physique, and so forth —— physical genetic traits inherited down the line from both sides of the family, just as what would be the case with ALL of us living on this planet.
The vast majority of human beings are at least ethnically mixed, anyway (if not between two or more different and separate races, directly through one’s parentage), technically speaking (if one’s ancestry goes back far enough), unless one’s direct line of descent comes from a group that’s completely isolated and cut off from the rest of society and the entire world; Very, very few of such isolated populations exist, since almost no one is “purely” of any single race, ethnicity or nationality.
I’m not even going to delve into and discuss that whole “Jewish” subject matter —— especially, since that particular designation has mainly to do with the practice of a certain religious faith, rather than with anything specifically “racial” or “ethnic”* (*like the designations of people of other faiths/belief systems as “Christian,” “Muslim,” “Hindu,” “Buddhist,” etc., that anyone of any race/nationality whose family has traditionally raised him or her in, or one’s particular set of values [as well as one’s faith/belief system, or non-belief, if you will] that he or she can and does individually choose to follow, and practice, according to his or her own personal decision) —— but Debbie Rowe, Prince Michael’s and Paris’ biological mother, is White. Michael, as we well know, was a BLACK MAN. He was these children’s father not just genetically and biologically (in the obvious fleshly, and literal, sense), but much more significantly, in THE MOST important way that really and truly mattered, because, he raised them and LOVED them.
So can you explain to me how it is that every single member of the third generation Jackson family (Prince and Paris's cousins) look like they have some Jackson-esque features, but none of MJ's 3 kids do? I believe a few of the cousins have mixed raced heritage, and yet none of them look as caucasian as Prince and Paris do. As for Bigi, although he has some dark features, he looks more Puerto Rican to me than anything else. He doesn't look like he has a black parent. No opinion on this topic, but just had to mention how I am always completely taken aback by the size of your signature when I use my laptop. It's very enjoyable.
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Post by ggbbggbb4455445544 on Aug 23, 2020 1:09:31 GMT
You’re absolutely right, that Michael was his first two children’s biological father, no matter what the children themselves look like. Mixed-race people are many variations of different physical characteristics —— such as skin-tone/-color, eye color, hair-color and -texture, height, weight, structure, figure/physique, and so forth —— physical genetic traits inherited down the line from both sides of the family, just as what would be the case with ALL of us living on this planet.
The vast majority of human beings are at least ethnically mixed, anyway (if not between two or more different and separate races, directly through one’s parentage), technically speaking (if one’s ancestry goes back far enough), unless one’s direct line of descent comes from a group that’s completely isolated and cut off from the rest of society and the entire world; Very, very few of such isolated populations exist, since almost no one is “purely” of any single race, ethnicity or nationality.
I’m not even going to delve into and discuss that whole “Jewish” subject matter —— especially, since that particular designation has mainly to do with the practice of a certain religious faith, rather than with anything specifically “racial” or “ethnic”* (*like the designations of people of other faiths/belief systems as “Christian,” “Muslim,” “Hindu,” “Buddhist,” etc., that anyone of any race/nationality whose family has traditionally raised him or her in, or one’s particular set of values [as well as one’s faith/belief system, or non-belief, if you will] that he or she can and does individually choose to follow, and practice, according to his or her own personal decision) —— but Debbie Rowe, Prince Michael’s and Paris’ biological mother, is White. Michael, as we well know, was a BLACK MAN. He was these children’s father not just genetically and biologically (in the obvious fleshly, and literal, sense), but much more significantly, in THE MOST important way that really and truly mattered, because, he raised them and LOVED them.
So, can you explain to me how it is that every single member of the third generation Jackson family (Prince’s and Paris’ cousins) look like they have some “Jackson-esque” features, but none of MJ’s 3 kids do?
I believe a few of the cousins have mixed-raced heritage, and yet none of them look as Caucasian as Prince and Paris do. “Bigi,” although he has some dark features, he looks more Puerto Rican to me than anything else. He doesn’t look like he has a Black parent. Actually, RussG, as I mentioned in previous comments before, not every child/offspring/descendant of a parent, grandparent or direct ancestor with visibly (meaning: “Outwardly Physical”) African genetic traits has to necessarily look completely like that particular race/ethnicity; Prince Michael, as he continues to mature into his adulthood, looks increasingly more and more like what his, Paris’ and “Bigi’s” paternal great-grandfather, Samuel Jackson —— who, in turn, was Michael’s grandfather and Joseph’s father —— once looked like as a young man, himself. I’m sure you’ve seen the comparison pictures showing such a close family resemblance between the deceased great-grandfather and his surviving great-grandson.
To me, the resemblance is unmistakable, especially, the older Prince Michael gets. How else can you, or anyone, fully explain not only his strong resemblance to Samuel Jackson, but also his suffering from the same skin disease that Michael had suffered from for most of his life? It’s no mere coincidence, RussG, that BOTH the father AND the eldest son had to deal with the effects and symptoms of the same autoimmune disorder (Vitiligo, which ended up having been as extensive as it was, in Michael’s case). Prince Michael had to have inherited traits passed down from both parents, from his father as well as his mother.
True, Paris has very light-colored eyes. But, we don’t know from whom she inherited them; She probably got them either from her and Prince Michael’s mother, Debbie Rowe, or from their paternal grandfather, Joseph Jackson. We don’t know, nor could anyone else amongst the public really say for sure, who she got her eye color from. But, many other aspects/characteristics of her facial features she inherited from her mother; The size and shape of the eyes, however, she got from her father, even though his were dark-brown and hers are either blue, green, or some shade in between those two colors. But, even in her case, the older she gets, the more like their father she looks,* as both father and daughter were built similar, too (*given that, in certain situations at times, most people still would mistakenly perceive her as “White,” when she is of mixed-race descent).
As for the youngest son, “Bigi,” he looks like the identical spitting image of Michael, long before his father ever had ANY facial surgeries (or, way before he had ever injured his scalp and later showed the obvious signs and symptoms of autoimmune disorders) at all, except for being somewhat of a bit taller, and slightly heavier, than what Michael once was at his age, and having a naturally much lighter skin-tone and straight hair-texture. Can you PLEASE explain to me —— and, to the rest of us commenting, here —— what you nean by “Bigi’s” having “dark” facial features? Are you confusing “ethnic”/“non-European” or “non-Caucasian” (more than likely in this case, “African”) features with darker skin-pigmentation? It’s clear that you have, by your use of such terms that make no sense.
Both the father’s and the youngest son’s facial features look almost exactly the same as those from Michael’s ORIGINAL “pre-‘Off the Wall’ ”-era. I don’t know how you can’t see that, RussG. I see it, plain as the day is long. And, by the way, speaking of those who have Puerto Rican heritage, even they are of mixed-race/-ethnicity themselves, with Spanish, African and Native inheritance as well. Not all of them look the same in only one way, either. But, you keep believing whatever foolishness and nonsense it is you want to believe.
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Post by Russg on Aug 24, 2020 18:22:40 GMT
So can you explain to me how it is that every single member of the third generation Jackson family (Prince and Paris's cousins) look like they have some Jackson-esque features, but none of MJ's 3 kids do? I believe a few of the cousins have mixed raced heritage, and yet none of them look as caucasian as Prince and Paris do. As for Bigi, although he has some dark features, he looks more Puerto Rican to me than anything else. He doesn't look like he has a black parent. What exactly are "Jackson-esque features"? Are you really questioning Michael as the biological father? What in your opinion would be the reason for him to pick up a bunch of kids and lie to them? God works in mysterious ways. BTW I am the only child with blue eyes, fair skin and curly hair amongst my 20 cousins. Growing up I used to take a lot of pride in my mother's 'Moroccan' side but no outsider will ever point me out as such. I had NO problem being "special" and learned from a very young age that people tend to classify others by their appearance. I kind of made it into a game to SHOCK people but no one ever believed me. I always hated being looked at as the "entitled rich girl" even more than being the "fat girl". Lies run sprints, The truth runs marathons. No one can ever change the fact that my parents fell in love and managed to build themselves a life to be envious of regardless of anyone's opinion and judgement. The things they had to deal with and the power which pushed them on, is all but an inspiration and a driving force to me now. I guess what I am saying is that if you are a brought up to be a strong individual, given love and life lessons, you are most able to not let anyone change you but rather initiate the change in others. I don't ever see how it can be wrong for MJ to tell PPB that. Those kids, more than anyone, needed a strong base to fall upon when the entire world would be questioning their mere right to exist. Jackson-esque featues can be seen all throughout the Jackson family. There's a strong family resemblance between many members of the Jackson family. The broad, Joker-like grin that TJ, MJ, Janet, Taryll have.... a lot of the third generation cousins, Jermaine's kids, Rebbie's son Austin, even Joe's illegitimate daughter Giovanni Jackson all have a strong Jackson family look. Prince, Paris and Bigi don't look at all like any of the family.
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Post by Russg on Aug 24, 2020 18:23:24 GMT
So, can you explain to me how it is that every single member of the third generation Jackson family (Prince’s and Paris’ cousins) look like they have some “Jackson-esque” features, but none of MJ’s 3 kids do?
I believe a few of the cousins have mixed-raced heritage, and yet none of them look as Caucasian as Prince and Paris do. “Bigi,” although he has some dark features, he looks more Puerto Rican to me than anything else. He doesn’t look like he has a Black parent. Actually, RussG, as I mentioned in previous comments before, not every child/offspring/descendant of a parent, grandparent or direct ancestor with visibly (meaning: “Outwardly Physical”) African genetic traits has to necessarily look completely like that particular race/ethnicity; Prince Michael, as he continues to mature into his adulthood, looks increasingly more and more like what his, Paris’ and “Bigi’s” paternal great-grandfather, Samuel Jackson —— who, in turn, was Michael’s grandfather and Joseph’s father —— once looked like as a young man, himself. I’m sure you’ve seen the comparison pictures showing such a close family resemblance between the deceased great-grandfather and his surviving great-grandson.
To me, the resemblance is unmistakable, especially, the older Prince Michael gets. How else can you, or anyone, fully explain not only his strong resemblance to Samuel Jackson, but also his suffering from the same skin disease that Michael had suffered from for most of his life? It’s no mere coincidence, RussG, that BOTH the father AND the eldest son had to deal with the effects and symptoms of the same autoimmune disorder (Vitiligo, which ended up having been as extensive as it was, in Michael’s case). Prince Michael had to have inherited traits passed down from both parents, from his father as well as his mother.
True, Paris has very light-colored eyes. But, we don’t know from whom she inherited them; She probably got them either from her and Prince Michael’s mother, Debbie Rowe, or from their paternal grandfather, Joseph Jackson. We don’t know, nor could anyone else amongst the public really say for sure, who she got her eye color from. But, many other aspects/characteristics of her facial features she inherited from her mother; The size and shape of the eyes, however, she got from her father, even though his were dark-brown and hers are either blue, green, or some shade in between those two colors. But, even in her case, the older she gets, the more like their father she looks,* as both father and daughter were built similar, too (*given that, in certain situations at times, most people still would mistakenly perceive her as “White,” when she is of mixed-race descent).
As for the youngest son, “Bigi,” he looks like the identical spitting image of Michael, long before his father ever had ANY facial surgeries (or, way before he had ever injured his scalp and later showed the obvious signs and symptoms of autoimmune disorders) at all, except for being somewhat of a bit taller, and slightly heavier, than what Michael once was at his age, and having a naturally much lighter skin-tone and straight hair-texture. Can you PLEASE explain to me —— and, to the rest of us commenting, here —— what you nean by “Bigi’s” having “dark” facial features? Are you confusing “ethnic”/“non-European” or “non-Caucasian” (more than likely in this case, “African”) features with darker skin-pigmentation? It’s clear that you have, by your use of such terms that make no sense.
Both the father’s and the youngest son’s facial features look almost exactly the same as those from Michael’s ORIGINAL “pre-‘Off the Wall’ ”-era. I don’t know how you can’t see that, RussG. I see it, plain as the day is long. And, by the way, speaking of those who have Puerto Rican heritage, even they are of mixed-race/-ethnicity themselves, with Spanish, African and Native inheritance as well. Not all of them look the same in only one way, either. But, you keep believing whatever foolishness and nonsense it is you want to believe. I've seen the comparisons between Prince and Samual Jackson and I think it's reaching tbh.
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Post by suzie on Aug 25, 2020 4:21:35 GMT
Not only should he have told them the truth. He should not have put them in that situation at all. It’s one thing to adopt kids but he went about it as if they were born of he and Debbie. That’s not true. Yeah, it's hard to discuss this stuff without certain fans calling you a hater if you don't toe the official party line. I think it was a taboo subject in the fanbase for quite some time, due to them being kids, but seeing as they're all over 18 now (right?!), I see no reason why this subject can't be discussed in an adult manner. I don't believe PPB are biologically related to Michael, and that is in no way influenced by hater rhetorics or the media. Almost every member of the Jackson family looks like a Jackson in some way or other. They are a very distinctive looking family, and even third generation Jacksons closely resemble their aunties, uncles and even Joe and Katherine. MJ's kids do not look like Jacksons, nor do they appear to be black. It's called having eyes. Sorry (actually not) if that offends some fans, but it's kind of obvious to me. Of course, they are Jacksons in every way that is meaningful, they were raised in that family and brought into the world by a Jackson, but biologically, it doesn't ring true to me and I wouldn't be surprised if the kids themselves knew that at this point. I think they’ve known it for sometime
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Post by ggbbggbb4455445544 on Aug 26, 2020 0:33:25 GMT
Prince Michael, Paris and “Bigi” ARE the biological children/offspring of Michael Jackson. I still stand by this viewpoint, whether or not anyone else agrees with it. There are mixed-race children of one obviously and visibly “Black”-/“African”-looking parent and the other one being of an entirely different race/ethnicity, who appear to have either the physical characteristics and traits of one parent or the other. These children DO exist; Not all mixed offspring look like they have an “equal” percentage of their parents’ traits, some of them look more like their mothers than their fathers, and vice-versa.
And, as in the case of Prince Michael, with his and his siblings’ great-grandfather, Samuel Jackson, some children may end up looking like identical (or, near-identical) dead-ringers/spitting images/doppelgängers of other family members besides their parents, which becomes even more obvious when they grow up into adulthood. This sometimes happens with families, no matter how many generations ago or however far back a relative/an ancestor had existed, for at least one of his or her surviving descendants to look alike.
As I have previously pointed out, some multi-racial people can very easily pass for another race (without any obvious signs of Sub-Saharan African at all to be seen in them), while others appear completely “African” with no visible “evidence” of any other races or ethnicities whatsoever. There are very, very few so-called “pure” racial and ethnic groups (that is, IF any such populations still exist at all), and these population-groups are totally, completely isolated —— whether geographically, socially, physically or culturally, either one or more of any such factors, or ALL of them —— since the vast majority of human beings who have ever lived, and who are now living, on this planet can mix, have mixed and do mix with one another.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 8:06:06 GMT
ppl just have a hard time accepting anything natural about MJ.
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Post by ggbbggbb4455445544 on Aug 27, 2020 16:04:42 GMT
ppl just have a hard time accepting anything natural about MJ. Yes, they certainly do, @mjmusicfan. They certainly do. When are they ever going to learn, that there are almost NO “pure” ethnic or racial groups of human beings in existence on this Earth —— IF there ever were any at all —— and, that no one can really determine what any offspring descending from even a single African ancestor might look like, even if all of his, her or their other ancestors were of completely different racial/ethnic backgrounds?
Michael’s children ARE of mixed (multi-racial, with some direct African descent from their father) heritage, whether or not their natural hair-texture, eye color, facial features, skin-tone or other obvious physical characteristics traditionally fit into the age-old belief and “partly-‘African’ ” stereotype of what a child from a Black/non-Black interracial couple is “supposed to” look like (as an equal “50-50” split in genetic traits inherited from both sides of the child’s family, though very few of such children actually are).
It’s very difficult, trying to point out that the science and most basic principles of “Human Genetics” apply to EVERYONE —— including to Michael’s biological offspring, regardless of what they look like —— to people who choose to act like they either forgot what they were once taught in class or as if they had never learned such biological principles at all, during their entire period of education, and had never seen mixed-race individuals before (especially, those who appear to be exclusively of one ethnicity or the other, resembling either parent completely, instead of having the physical characteristics of both parents).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 6:55:51 GMT
I know it is so basic I could never understand why ppl try to ignore facts.
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Post by ggbbggbb4455445544 on Sept 12, 2020 21:31:08 GMT
ppl just have a hard time accepting anything natural about MJ. I totally agree with your point, @mjmusicfan. Because, SO many people think that there wasn’t anything natural, physically, left about Michael after “Off the Wall” and “Thriller,” whether it was his face and its features (wrongly questioning the race/ethnicity of them, which is absolutely, utterly ridiculous, as if those who question his appearance fail to realize that facial features are amongst a number of HUMAN characteristics not necessarily exclusive to any particular gender, race or ethnicity), his skin-color, his voice’s pitch and timbre, or anything else.
What really makes it so sad, now, is that Michael’s children’s racially/ethnically mixed identity is being questioned, just because they don’t outwardly look “visibly and phenotypically ‘African’/‘Black.’ ” As I have always said all along, there is NO set way a mixed-race person who descends from a visibly “Black” parent, grandparent or other direct ancestor “ought to” have looked like....PERIOD. This hardheadedness of some people makes it extremely difficult for anyone who has some knowledge of the sciences of Biology and Human Genetics to reason with them at all. Sometimes, we have to wonder about them: “What in THE WORLD did such ignorant fools ever learn in class, throughout their whole entire period of education?”
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Post by butterflies on Nov 6, 2020 1:12:04 GMT
Paris’s latest effort in music also confirms there’s nothing Jackson-esque about her either. I know it can’t be just me thinking that
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Nov 6, 2020 1:47:07 GMT
I quite like her song tbf. Comparing her to mj is kinda pointless imo.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 6, 2020 4:23:55 GMT
Paris’s latest effort in music also confirms there’s nothing Jackson-esque about her either. I know it can’t be just me thinking that Is she allowed to be her own person?
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Post by butterflies on Nov 6, 2020 6:02:47 GMT
Paris’s latest effort in music also confirms there’s nothing Jackson-esque about her either. I know it can’t be just me thinking that Is she allowed to be her own person? I guess so, but I also kind of feel like she’s figuring out who she is at the same time
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Post by respect77 on Nov 6, 2020 6:18:47 GMT
Yes,she is MJ's daughter who has her own musical taste and direction.
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