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Post by TonyR on May 6, 2024 13:59:57 GMT
This fan base will fabricate things to complain about. I know I've been very vocal about that lately, but Jesus, some "fans" really make this so exhausting for the rest of us. 100% this. This is why I only skim read this thread (no offence to anyone). This over analysis really sucks the fun out. But I guess, that's social media.
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Post by respect77 on May 6, 2024 16:22:09 GMT
The same fans who now whine that Jaafar's jacket looks cheap a year ago: "Navi should play MJ."
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Post by amaya on May 6, 2024 22:52:57 GMT
Okay, so the next phase in the fandom is to complain about the wardrobe. LOL. Jaafar seems taller than MJ so MJ's clothes probably wouldn't even fit him. Besides they are museum pieces. It has to be younger fans saying this; there's no way Michael's original stuff would fit Jafaar. That being said, I do wish the jacket he was wearing in that one scene did look a little nicer/closer to the actual thing. But eh, whatever.
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Post by russtcb on May 7, 2024 0:05:55 GMT
We're gonna have much bigger fish to fry with this biopic. Like someone else in this thread said: fans expecting a documentary are setting themselves up for disappointment.
Biopic always play very fast and very loose with facts. Hair and exact clothing are going to be the least of their worries lol
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Post by respect77 on May 7, 2024 0:56:08 GMT
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Post by MattyJam on May 7, 2024 4:31:35 GMT
We're gonna have much bigger fish to fry with this biopic. Like someone else in this thread said: fans expecting a documentary are setting themselves up for disappointment. Biopic always play very fast and very loose with facts. Hair and exact clothing are going to be the least of their worries lol Oh, I fully expect at least half a dozen more epic meltdowns from inside the fanbase to come. If fans are going to cry about something as trivial as Siedah Garrett, these same people will lose their shit over any tiny perceived omission or artistic license. Typical Twitter hysteria. Meanwhile the world still turns...
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Post by russtcb on May 7, 2024 12:28:35 GMT
We're gonna have much bigger fish to fry with this biopic. Like someone else in this thread said: fans expecting a documentary are setting themselves up for disappointment. Biopic always play very fast and very loose with facts. Hair and exact clothing are going to be the least of their worries lol Oh, I fully expect at least half a dozen more epic meltdowns from inside the fanbase to come. If fans are going to cry about something as trivial as Siedah Garrett, these same people will lose their shit over any tiny perceived omission or artistic license. Typical Twitter hysteria. Meanwhile the world still turns... All I can do is agree. I'm about to drop a post about MJ social media in the Musings thread so I stop derailing this thread.
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Post by theunknownmonster on May 7, 2024 21:55:29 GMT
Forgive my ignorance, but who is John Gotti to MJ?
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Post by pg13 on May 7, 2024 22:10:59 GMT
Forgive my ignorance, but who is John Gotti to MJ? Nobody to MJ personally, but Gotti was a mob boss. Both he and MJ were targeted by an extortionist in 1992 who wanted $$$$ or he'd murder them. “I told you what will happen to John if he doesn’t pay up. Michael, I will personally attempt to kill if he doesn’t pay me my money,” he wrote to a newspaper. And he was willing to "commit mass murder at a Michael Jackson concert if necessary in an attempt to murder Michael.” Beginning of showing Michael had all kinds of threats and extortion for money made against him. That was pre-Chandlers, so it will likely lead up to their extortion attempt.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 7, 2024 23:04:10 GMT
Forgive my ignorance, but who is John Gotti to MJ? Nobody to MJ personally, but Gotti was a mob boss. Both he and MJ were targeted by an extortionist in 1992 who wanted $$$$ or he'd murder them. “I told you what will happen to John if he doesn’t pay up. Michael, I will personally attempt to kill if he doesn’t pay me my money,” he wrote to a newspaper. And he was willing to "commit mass murder at a Michael Jackson concert if necessary in an attempt to murder Michael.” Beginning of showing Michael had all kinds of threats and extortion for money made against him. That was pre-Chandlers, so it will likely lead up to their extortion attempt. Holy moly! I don’t think I’ve ever known this! Do you remember that fan that threatened to jump off the roof of a building -I think in London?- during the Dangerous Tour, if Michael didn’t come out of his hotel room and talk to him? Not quite the same ball park as the threat of mass murder but it does make me sometimes wonder if MJ’s level of fame and success was worth it? I mean he didn’t really have much of a life for himself at all.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 7, 2024 23:08:07 GMT
How dark is this biopic going to get? It seems that it’s really going to show a lot of the trauma MJ endured. They’ll be leaving the theatre thinking “So he WAS human after all”
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Post by respect77 on May 8, 2024 7:15:27 GMT
Yeah it's in MJ's FBI files that there was a crazy guy sending death threats to MJ. He claimed to be the son of John Gotti, but he was just some mental case so I don't know how Gotti himself will be in the biopic. As far as I know he had nothing to do with MJ personally. So I wonder if it's a mistake on the IMDb page and it's not Gotti who is going to be played by this actor but this crazy guy who claimed to be his son?
Maybe there will be a scene where they are going to this aspect of celebrity, being threatened by random crazies etc. Which of course would put into context for the audience why MJ had an alarm in his room, among other things.
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Post by pg13 on May 8, 2024 7:58:09 GMT
How dark is this biopic going to get? It seems that it’s really going to show a lot of the trauma MJ endured. They’ll be leaving the theatre thinking “So he WAS human after all” Personally, I think Michael was conflicted on showing his humanity and/or his megastar self to the world. He did say in 1979 he must become a new character with a new name MJ. On one hand, you had iconography from Michael like the Dangerous Tour toaster jump, Moonwalker or TEASER 1995. On the other hand, you had things like Childhood & occasions where he tried to let you behind the curtain, e.g. LWMJ which saw him screwed over. Michael definitely wanted mystery although that trial took a lot of it out of his hands. I wonder how he would've felt about the direction this biopic is possibly going in. Can't imagine him being anything other than conflicted about it. He didn't like anyone to dwell on the negative and preferred the triumphant side of his life. I'm sure if he was here, he'd feel too exposed and vulnerable. But he's gone. And you hope people would get SOME understanding of his humanity, of how hard it was to be Michael Jackson. As well as reappreciating the glory years once more. Sometimes it feels like a miracle Michael Jackson existed, singing and dancing the way only he could. I would be watching this film mostly to see how they convey Michael's humanity. I'm sure I'll nitpick over the dancing, etc, but it's the human story I'm wanting to see. A shame Michael couldn't feel like giving more of his side of the craziness from a human being perspective.
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Post by ontime on May 8, 2024 15:53:57 GMT
I agree, Debbie was not ugly in her younger years. Despite what people think of their relationship, she knew him much longer than Lisa Marie. Him and Debbie were friends at one point. By Lisa’s own admission, she had no interest in meeting Michael because she thought he was weird. It’s unfortunate that Michael couldn’t find someone suitable to marry. I'm not sure how much MJ and Debbie were really friends. People throw the word "friend" around way too easily. They knew each other because Debbie was Klein's assistant. And Debbie was handsomely paid for the children. She later on used the kids to blackmail more money out of MJ by threatening to take them away from him. Those are not the actions of a friend to me. I already side eye Debbie for inserting herself into the situation when MJ and Lisa's marriage was on the rocks. And now in the hindsight she cries about it on TMZ... I don't know what point you are trying to make with Lisa not wanting to meet MJ before they did? She didn't know him at the time. Why should she have run to meet a guy who asks to meet her while she's engaged or married to another guy? I don't think MJ took it as an offense considering he later did marry her. If anything MJ probably liked women who weren't impressed by just who he was as a superstar. Lisa was also shady towards Michael, so both women are awful. Debbie and Michael became friends. They were friends at one point—whether you want to accept it or not. It doesn’t mean that they were very close. Both of Michael’s marriages were horrible mistakes. He should’ve never married either of them. Although, the marriage to Debbie was a business decision. It still shouldn’t have happened. Moving on.
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Post by respect77 on May 9, 2024 7:37:22 GMT
I'm not sure how much MJ and Debbie were really friends. People throw the word "friend" around way too easily. They knew each other because Debbie was Klein's assistant. And Debbie was handsomely paid for the children. She later on used the kids to blackmail more money out of MJ by threatening to take them away from him. Those are not the actions of a friend to me. I already side eye Debbie for inserting herself into the situation when MJ and Lisa's marriage was on the rocks. And now in the hindsight she cries about it on TMZ... I don't know what point you are trying to make with Lisa not wanting to meet MJ before they did? She didn't know him at the time. Why should she have run to meet a guy who asks to meet her while she's engaged or married to another guy? I don't think MJ took it as an offense considering he later did marry her. If anything MJ probably liked women who weren't impressed by just who he was as a superstar. Lisa was also shady towards Michael, so both women are awful. Debbie and Michael became friends. They were friends at one point—whether you want to accept it or not. It doesn’t mean that they were very close. Both of Michael’s marriages were horrible mistakes. He should’ve never married either of them. Although, the marriage to Debbie was a business decision. It still shouldn’t have happened. Moving on. Lisa was angry and hurt after their marriage ended the way it did, but to me she never crossed lines that are unforgivable. She and MJ had a real relationship where real hurt can make people bitter at each other. Debbie on the other hand was looking for ways to make the most money out of MJ. I don't think it's the same level at all.
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