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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Aug 9, 2024 20:28:18 GMT
70/80and 90’s then?
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Post by abbeycodi on Aug 9, 2024 22:16:14 GMT
Idk. i’m sure his “3 decades” quote was just ballpark. Given this is a general public oriented biopic and all we know about casting and bts footage so far, I would assume they will include Indiana, J5 formation, family dynamics, Motown years and early success, some 70s (probably the late 70s) studio 54 era, OTW success, will probably milk Thriller era for the bulk of the film, some Bad, the solo tour, maybe some Dangerous, it’s highly possible they broach the ‘93 allegations, after that I have no idea what they will include. Maybe a bit of History era, I kinda doubt LMP or debbie will be included but who knows, I can’t see them including Invincible era tbh, maybe having kids, maybe the ‘05 allegations? i sort of doubt that though. I have no clue how they would go about depicting the 2000s for many reasons, but really, it’s just too messy of a decade.
This is all just speculation and my opinion, obviously we’ll just have to wait and see.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 15, 2024 15:52:23 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Aug 16, 2024 3:16:29 GMT
Full comments Domingo made re. the movie: archive.ph/Fr8i8Based on Domingo's words the movie will go down the "misunderstood old school strict parent" route in Joseph's portrayal and I'm not sure I agree with that. I think Joseph was a sociopath. I don't really think he cared about his kids' well being more than what their talent can do for him. The only moment of apparent tenderness towards MJ was holding his hand during the trial, but I'm not convinced that really means anything from him and wasn't just to show family unity to the outside world. After all this is the same man who when faced with MJ's comments about throwing up when seeing him just cynically said "he regurgitated all the way to the bank" or who used his son's death to promote his new record label. But then American Dream also portrayed Joseph more redeemable than I think he was in real life. I think you have to sugarcoat him, make him some sort of "deep down he had good intentions" misunderstood character to make it more bearable for movie audiences and perhaps his own family as well. Because I think many in the family, like some of the brothers are still I'm denial about Joe (the whole "he did it to keep us off the streets and from drug gangs" narrative they are telling themselves). |
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Post by butterflies2 on Aug 16, 2024 3:30:10 GMT
I believe he wanted to keep them from joining gangs and being taken advantage of by peers, but he himself was abusive.
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Post by MattyJam on Aug 16, 2024 7:30:49 GMT
Full comments Domingo made re. the movie: archive.ph/Fr8i8Based on Domingo's words the movie will go down the "misunderstood old school strict parent" route in Joseph's portrayal and I'm not sure I agree with that. I think Joseph was a sociopath. I don't really think he cared about his kids' well being more than what their talent can do for him. The only moment of apparent tenderness towards MJ was holding his hand during the trial, but I'm not convinced that really means anything from him and wasn't just to show family unity to the outside world. After all this is the same man who when faced with MJ's comments about throwing up when seeing him just cynically said "he regurgitated all the way to the bank" or who used his son's death to promote his new record label. But then American Dream also portrayed Joseph more redeemable than I think he was in real life. I think you have to sugarcoat him, make him some sort of "deep down he had good intentions" misunderstood character to make it more bearable for movie audiences and perhaps his own family as well. Because I think many in the family, like some of the brothers are still I'm denial about Joe (the whole "he did it to keep us off the streets and from drug gangs" narrative they are telling themselves). But it's frustrating, as it does Michael a disservice. I think Joe's coldness and cruelty had a massive physiological effect on Michael and sugarcoating his character only makes MJ look damaged by fame and the lifestyle and ignores the root cause of many of his problems. But alas, it's Hollywood, you can't expect facts. |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Aug 16, 2024 14:14:18 GMT
Yeah I get why they are presenting it this way (family involved etc) but doesn't mean I think it's correct or agree with it.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Aug 16, 2024 18:30:18 GMT
Full comments Domingo made re. the movie: archive.ph/Fr8i8Based on Domingo's words the movie will go down the "misunderstood old school strict parent" route in Joseph's portrayal and I'm not sure I agree with that. I think Joseph was a sociopath. I don't really think he cared about his kids' well being more than what their talent can do for him. The only moment of apparent tenderness towards MJ was holding his hand during the trial, but I'm not convinced that really means anything from him and wasn't just to show family unity to the outside world. After all this is the same man who when faced with MJ's comments about throwing up when seeing him just cynically said "he regurgitated all the way to the bank" or who used his son's death to promote his new record label. But then American Dream also portrayed Joseph more redeemable than I think he was in real life. I think you have to sugarcoat him, make him some sort of "deep down he had good intentions" misunderstood character to make it more bearable for movie audiences and perhaps his own family as well. Because I think many in the family, like some of the brothers are still I'm denial about Joe (the whole "he did it to keep us off the streets and from drug gangs" narrative they are telling themselves). Imo i think the family will always want to go down that route. They have always downplayed his actions and MJs claims, to keep the image going |
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Post by aazzaabb on Aug 17, 2024 9:51:53 GMT
I think it’s possible that we’ll see Joe be violent, but we won’t get extended amounts of graphic detail, which is sort of what I’m expecting. I would expect we’ll see a beating, a belt being used, MJ being called ugly etc but it has to be palatable for audiences. Given that Domingo is playing Joe, he has to find a semblance of compassion and some sort of common ground perhaps.
I read about Tina Turners “What’s Love Got To Do With It?” recently, and apparently she was furious with the film makers and how they made her into a martyr. It wasn’t what she wanted at all. She said something along the lines of “I knew what I was doing the whole time. I was in control, I chose to be in that relationship” etc. Tina wanted to be seen as the one who was in complete control, strong and independent. Which she was I guess, but she was not happy with her biopic which became the definitive narrative about her.
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Post by ontime on Aug 18, 2024 6:02:47 GMT
Some of the family members are involved with the biopic, so they will sugarcoat Joe. I envision them portraying Michael as the troubled brother who the “loving” Jacksons tried to save. Going forward, unfortunately, the biopic will be used as a point of reference for Michael’s life.
I hope that they prove me wrong, but I’m keeping my expectations low.
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Post by aazzaabb on Aug 19, 2024 9:32:38 GMT
Some of the family members are involved with the biopic, so they will sugarcoat Joe. I envision them portraying Michael as the troubled brother who the “loving” Jacksons tried to save. Going forward, unfortunately, the biopic will be used as a point of reference for Michael’s life. I hope that they prove me wrong, but I’m keeping my expectations low. I completely get what you’re saying but I don’t think it’s necessarily unfortunate. From what I understand we will get to see Michael’s humanity and what he had to deal with. These biopics are the entry point for the rest of the world. It’s going to bring so many new fans to MJ, whether it’s an intrigue in his personal life or the music or both. I think we will see Joe being violent to MJ, but it won’t necessarily be the defining factor or run through the entire length of the film -even though it is a defining factor- of what made him who he was. There is so much other trauma MJ had to deal with that it would possibly do those other moments a disservice. It will be the culmination of everything that happened to him which is what will help audiences understand why he was who he was. Most of the world knows that MJ’s father beat and abused him. Really, all we need to see regarding Joe is of him giving a young Michael one very firm beating, a scene of him tightly gripping a belt in his hand and a few raw moments of Joe being extremely verbally nasty, and that establishes that relationship and casts a very dark shadow of Joe looming over him for the rest of his life. We know exactly where MJ stands in that regard and we know who Joe is. Also, Domingo has to toe a certain line of what he can say about the film. He also has to approach who Joe was from a sympathetic perspective in order to help him understand why he was the way he was in order for him to give a truthful portrayal. Time will tell I guess. We know it’s a great director who’s put in years of research, a great cast and the reactions from the people who’ve seen the sample footage have all been positive. |
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Post by respect77 on Aug 20, 2024 4:20:18 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I can live with the portrayal of Joseph in American Dream and I think the movie was still great. (And I assume just by what Domingo said that the portrayal will be similar this time as well.) I just don't feel it's completely accurate. I feel Joseph was worse than just an old school strict parent. He was a sociopath IMO, which a lot of his family might be in denial about. But then probably no character portrayal in any biopic is ever completely accurate, so it doesn't bother me too much until it doesn't go TOO soft on Joe. A level of sugar coating that was in AD (American Dream) is okay IMO.
But then like Aazzaabb said, this movie will be not and shouldn't be focused on Joseph and his psychology. It's not like AD where I'd say MJ's parents were the protagonists. This movie just needs to show how it affected Michael, not what Joseph's motives might have been.
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Post by pg13 on Sept 8, 2024 9:55:03 GMT
Let's wait until we've seen the film first.
Also, perception isn't the same as reality. What the Jacksons say publicly may not be the same thing they say privately. All we really see of them is snapshots in time and we certainly saw nothing of the early Gary, Indiana days.
When it comes to biopics, we get perspectives, interpretations and opinions on the overall story. Even the stories we tell ourselves about our own lives and that others tell about ourselves isn't strictly rooted in fact.
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Post by ontime on Oct 14, 2024 2:01:08 GMT
Some are speculating that the trailer will be released the first week of December. We shall see.
I hope the biopic accurately depicts his time at Studio 54. Some fans still buy into his curated public image. Living in New York was a period of self-discovery and exploration for him. He finally experienced freedom away from his parents' influence. Like any normal 18-year-old, he experimented and enjoyed some normalcy. I've heard great stories about his time there, both before and after his death.
I will keep my expectations low, so that I don’t get my hopes up.
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Post by butterflies2 on Oct 14, 2024 2:25:42 GMT
Experienced in what way do you mean?
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