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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 20, 2023 14:41:51 GMT
Stress due to being completely in over his head, possibly. Rude. If he’s stressed from the accusations, wade and jimmy are to blame |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 15:11:57 GMT
Stress due to being completely in over his head, possibly. Rude. If he’s stressed from the accusations, wade and jimmy are to blame I was actually making a joke, but I'm not really bothered if it's considered rude to be honest. He clearly is in over his head. His go fund me was created 21/1/19 - literally four years tomorrow - and he hasn't produced a thing despite raising over quarter of a million dollars from MJ fans. |
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Post by TonyR on Jan 20, 2023 18:22:53 GMT
For all those asking my opinion....
Absolutely no idea how to feel about this.
Thanks.
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 20, 2023 20:15:54 GMT
Rude. If he’s stressed from the accusations, wade and jimmy are to blame I was actually making a joke, but I'm not really bothered if it's considered rude to be honest. He clearly is in over his head. His go fund me was created 21/1/19 - literally four years tomorrow - and he hasn't produced a thing despite raising over quarter of a million dollars from MJ fans. Ah ok, didn’t catch that, it’s hard to tell online sometimes. Yes he should definitely do something, talk to Thomas messareau, get others involved |
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Post by respect77 on Jan 21, 2023 6:24:19 GMT
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 21, 2023 8:02:39 GMT
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 21, 2023 8:29:44 GMT
I didn't think I would, but I'm feeling (somewhat tentatively) excited about this project. It can be fucked up in so many ways, so I'm trying not to get too invested and I doubt this will be the game-changer many fans are hoping it will be. But still, I find myself more enthused about it that I expected to be. Russg said something a few pages ago, about the estate charging forward irrespective of potential media fallouts etc and it possibly being the right strategy and I think she has a good point. The mainstream media will always be hostile towards MJ, that will never change. Why tiptoe around them when his music and legacy has continued to thrive despite their coordinated efforts to dismantle/blacklist him? |
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Post by respect77 on Jan 21, 2023 9:37:31 GMT
I didn't think I would, but I'm feeling (somewhat tentatively) excited about this project. It can be fucked up in so many ways, so I'm trying not to get too invested and I doubt this will be the game-changer many fans are hoping it will be. But still, I find myself more enthused about it that I expected to be. Russg said something a few pages ago, about the estate charging forward irrespective of potential media fallouts etc and it possibly being the right strategy and I think she has a good point. The mainstream media will always be hostile towards MJ, that will never change. Why tiptoe around them when his music and legacy has continued to thrive despite their coordinated efforts to dismantle/blacklist him? I was very worried about the musical and the potential media backlash and shitstorm it could cause so shortly after LN, but the Estate said "fuck them" and they turned out to be right. Sure enough there were negative articles and virtue signaling as expected but it didn't affect the success of the musical. I'm well aware a biopic is more risky and more attacks are to be expected simply because of the bigger platform and the media will do their usual malicious thing when it comes to MJ, but yeah, maybe the Estates is right that haters gonna hate no matter what, so let's just go ahead and do our thing. I think a LOT depends on the quality of the movie. If it's great people will want to watch it, virtue signaling articles be damned (just like in case of the musical). And if it's a bad movie then it would flop even without MJ being a controversial figure (see the Whitney biopic). So at the end of the day, it hinges on the quality of the end product, which is no different from other movies about other celebrities. |
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 21, 2023 11:17:03 GMT
I didn't think I would, but I'm feeling (somewhat tentatively) excited about this project. It can be fucked up in so many ways, so I'm trying not to get too invested and I doubt this will be the game-changer many fans are hoping it will be. But still, I find myself more enthused about it that I expected to be. Russg said something a few pages ago, about the estate charging forward irrespective of potential media fallouts etc and it possibly being the right strategy and I think she has a good point. The mainstream media will always be hostile towards MJ, that will never change. Why tiptoe around them when his music and legacy has continued to thrive despite their coordinated efforts to dismantle/blacklist him? I was very worried about the musical and the potential media backlash and shitstorm it could cause so shortly after LN, but the Estate said "fuck them" and they turned out to be right. Sure enough there were negative articles and virtue signaling as expected but it didn't affect the success of the musical. I'm well aware a biopic is more risky and more attacks are to be expected simply because of the bigger platform and the media will do their usual malicious thing when it comes to MJ, but yeah, maybe the Estates is right that haters gonna hate no matter what, so let's just go ahead and do our thing. I think a LOT depends on the quality of the movie. If it's great people will want to watch it, virtue signaling articles be damned (just like in case of the musical). And if it's a bad movie then it would flop even without MJ being a controversial figure (see the Whitney biopic). So at the end of the day, it hinges on the quality of the end product, which is no different from other movies about other celebrities. Well, I know very little about Queen but went to see Bohemian Rhapsody with an open mind and even I could see it was a bit hokey, playing fast and loose with history and just overall a bit naff. But that didn't stop it becoming a blockbuster. When has quality ever come into it in film or music? There's literally tonnes of examples of movies and artists that are phenomenally successful despite being completely mediocre. I'm not saying the quality is unimportant, but it often has no baring on a films commercial performance. |
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Post by respect77 on Jan 21, 2023 12:24:58 GMT
I was very worried about the musical and the potential media backlash and shitstorm it could cause so shortly after LN, but the Estate said "fuck them" and they turned out to be right. Sure enough there were negative articles and virtue signaling as expected but it didn't affect the success of the musical. I'm well aware a biopic is more risky and more attacks are to be expected simply because of the bigger platform and the media will do their usual malicious thing when it comes to MJ, but yeah, maybe the Estates is right that haters gonna hate no matter what, so let's just go ahead and do our thing. I think a LOT depends on the quality of the movie. If it's great people will want to watch it, virtue signaling articles be damned (just like in case of the musical). And if it's a bad movie then it would flop even without MJ being a controversial figure (see the Whitney biopic). So at the end of the day, it hinges on the quality of the end product, which is no different from other movies about other celebrities. Well, I know very little about Queen but went to see Bohemian Rhapsody with an open mind and even I could see it was a bit hokey, playing fast and loose with history and just overall a bit naff. But that didn't stop it becoming a blockbuster. When has quality ever come into it in film or music? There's literally tonnes of examples of movies and artists that are phenomenally successful despite being completely mediocre. I'm not saying the quality is unimportant, but it often has no baring on a films commercial performance. Then let's say "entertaining" instead of "quality". Because I guess there was a reason for BR to be that popular. Even if it's not a quality movie it probably was entertaining. I haven't seen it but I guess in large part due to the music. I think here too they should use a lot of music and let the movie be carried by that. I have seen Rocketman and I hated that one. I didn't like the musical approach. (Bursting out in songs in the middle of conversations etc.) I read afterwards that one too is rather liberal with facts. In fact, from what I read they invented whole conflicts (eg. the one between Elton and his father) to have some kind of story to sell there. Well, with MJ finding drama in his life sure won't be the problem... |
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 21, 2023 12:42:07 GMT
Well, I know very little about Queen but went to see Bohemian Rhapsody with an open mind and even I could see it was a bit hokey, playing fast and loose with history and just overall a bit naff. But that didn't stop it becoming a blockbuster. When has quality ever come into it in film or music? There's literally tonnes of examples of movies and artists that are phenomenally successful despite being completely mediocre. I'm not saying the quality is unimportant, but it often has no baring on a films commercial performance. Then let's say "entertaining" instead of "quality". Because I guess there was a reason for BR to be that popular. Even if it's not a quality movie it probably was entertaining. I haven't seen it but I guess in large part due to the music. I think here too they should use a lot of music and let the movie be carried by that. I have seen Rocketman and I hated that one. I didn't like the musical approach. (Bursting out in songs in the middle of conversations etc.) I read afterwards that one too is rather liberal with facts. In fact, from what I read they invented whole conflicts (eg. the one between Elton and his father) to have some kind of story to sell there. Well, with MJ finding drama in his life sure won't be the problem... Oh yeah, Bohemian Rhapsody was massively entertaining, but totally naff at the same time. I think that's almost always the case with these kind of movies. I'm not expecting Schindlers List, I'll be happy as long as it does its job at humanizing Michael to the masses again and reminding people WHY he is still held in such high regard. |
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Post by respect77 on Jan 21, 2023 13:02:31 GMT
That the media is going to be hostile no matter what is to be expected. It already started. The blue tick comments I've seen this week about how "his Estate is involved so that's all we need to know in terms of how objective this is going to be" bla-bla. Ridiculous. As if other major biopics are ever objective. All major biopics are made in collaboration with either the artist or their Estate, family or other gate keepers of their legacy. And the same people had no problem with the blatant one-sidedness of LN. God forbid MJ's story is ever told from an empathic POV not from one demonizing him. Because their "objectivity" is that: dehumanizing and demonizing him. So yeah, screw them. We don't need to cater to these people. They are never going to be fair to him, anyway.
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Post by SoCav on Jan 21, 2023 13:17:32 GMT
It is good to read that the director both has good credentials and firmly states that he believes MJ is innocent - that's a lot better than the Lynn Nottage debacle.
With that said, I'm still not excited about this project. There are so many ways for this to go wrong or just turn out to be completely average. Even if it does turn out to be a good film, I do not think it will have the positive impact on the public's perception of MJ as a person and artist that a well done documentary film or docu series could have. People need to see Michael - the real Michael, not Michael the media caricature or Michael as portrayed by 3 different actors - for that to happen.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 21, 2023 13:40:57 GMT
I have no opinion on this film as like 90% of the past decade pertaining to the MJ Estate. If it’s entertaining -like Bohemian Rhapsody- and gets people interested in MJ via lots of great music then job done as is the intention of these types of projects. If it makes people question their prejudices then that’s a bonus. As for who would play MJ, would a deepfake be the way to go? They can do really well done things in this day and age and this type of project might be ideal for it?
The McCartney music video is good example.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 20:24:06 GMT
I have no opinion on this film as like 90% of the past decade pertaining to the MJ Estate. If it’s entertaining -like Bohemian Rhapsody- and gets people interested in MJ via lots of great music then job done as is the intention of these types of projects. If it makes people question their prejudices then that’s a bonus. As for who would play MJ, would a deepfake be the way to go? They can do really well done things in this day and age and this type of project might be ideal for it? The McCartney music video is good example. Probably Zendaya or Timothee Chalatalet I suppose. They're very in. The Rock and Chris Pratt also contenders. Tom Holland. |
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