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Post by aazzaabb on Nov 22, 2022 3:02:04 GMT
I would have enjoyed this. Chris Brown is far from perfect but I think he’s a great performer and he’s always hailed MJ as the GOAT. Recently he was -ridiculously- compared to MJ and even he found it absurd. I also watched his explanation for his fuck-up a few years ago in his documentary and I felt he was genuine. A troubled guy but talented IMO. Not to derail the thread but I would consider his beating and strangling of a woman more than a "fuck-up" but OK. His current explanation also completely contradicts the police report. Not to mention that this was just one of many violent incidents he's had. Karrueche was granted a restraining order against him after he threatened to assault and murder her. If he beat a dog this way and threatened to kill another dog I doubt people would be as quick to forgive him. Who cares if he can sing and dance. Like I said, there are plenty of talented performers out there who can do the same and don't have a decade-long history of violence against women, why not give them a platform instead? I would have liked to see someone like Bruno Mars, The Weekend or Beyoncé do an MJ tribute. Or maybe a dance tribute with a group of talented dancers, that would have been cool. The tribute is controversial in and of itself, there's no need to give the media any more ammunition. Yeah, didn’t she call him the love of her life in recent years and they’re still close friends? I’d call it a “fuck-up” in broad terms. Not sure what’s so offensive about that? We all know what I was referring to. Many have not forgiven him and many more never will so he has to live with that for the rest of his life. Personally, I’m not the type of person to condemn someone for the rest of their life for making a mistake. He was on probation for years and served his time. Anything beyond that, I’d have trouble. You say he has a decade long history of violence against women? Really? I wasn’t aware of that. The tribute is controversial in and of itself, sure. Chris Brown was still free to perform but chose not to. He won an award in fact. Performing a Michael Jackson Thriller medley was seen as problematic.
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Post by pg13 on Nov 22, 2022 3:14:42 GMT
This isn't about "Michaelwashing" when you read the article. They would have been fine with CB performing if he had agreed to not perform MJ... It reads more like they didn't want Chris Brown, a convicted violent domestic abuser, paying tribute to MJ due to allegations. Suggests they'd have had no problem with an artist with no convictions paying tribute to MJ as well as preferring an artist with a conviction doing something else. But not the two together. And this was Brown's first opportunity to perform at an awards show for the first time since the MeToo era emerged. Another consideration.
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Post by pg13 on Nov 22, 2022 3:19:03 GMT
This suggests ABC didn't want Chris Brown to perform an MJ Medley as it would be nuclear, given he a convicted abuser celebrating an accused abuser. It would have crapped all over Thriller and created such a sideshow. It should never have been on the table. Tone deaf.
I agree it shouldn't have been on the table in first place in this constellation, but at the same time I feel this is a Karen move by this guy. Basically he is bragging about how he single handedly shut it down. Meanwhile the show's ratings were at an all time low, so whatever.
Certainly agree award shows are not what they used to be, for sure. The most recent Brit Awards was not very memorable either - it was more eventful in its 1990s heyday. Doesn't feel like they've had the legendary performances for quite a while too.
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Post by aazzaabb on Nov 22, 2022 3:25:54 GMT
I can’t remember the last time I watched an awards show. They are meaningless corporate platforms for major labels to advertise themselves.
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Post by aazzaabb on Nov 22, 2022 3:38:34 GMT
This isn't about "Michaelwashing" when you read the article. They would have been fine with CB performing if he had agreed to not perform MJ... It reads more like they didn't want Chris Brown, a convicted violent domestic abuser, paying tribute to MJ due to allegations. Suggests they'd have had no problem with an artist with no convictions paying tribute to MJ as well as preferring an artist with a conviction doing something else. But not the two together. And this was Brown's first opportunity to perform at an awards show for the first time since the MeToo era emerged. Another consideration. Are you sure about this? So MJ would in fact be allowed a tribute/celebration on an awards show?
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Post by LindavG on Nov 22, 2022 4:01:17 GMT
Not to derail the thread but I would consider his beating and strangling of a woman more than a "fuck-up" but OK. His current explanation also completely contradicts the police report. Not to mention that this was just one of many violent incidents he's had. Karrueche was granted a restraining order against him after he threatened to assault and murder her. If he beat a dog this way and threatened to kill another dog I doubt people would be as quick to forgive him. Who cares if he can sing and dance. Like I said, there are plenty of talented performers out there who can do the same and don't have a decade-long history of violence against women, why not give them a platform instead? I would have liked to see someone like Bruno Mars, The Weekend or Beyoncé do an MJ tribute. Or maybe a dance tribute with a group of talented dancers, that would have been cool. The tribute is controversial in and of itself, there's no need to give the media any more ammunition. Yeah, didn’t she call him the love of her life in recent years and they’re still close friends? I’d call it a “fuck-up” in broad terms. Not sure what’s so offensive about that? We all know what I was referring to. Many have not forgiven him and many more never will so he has to live with that for the rest of his life. Personally, I’m not the type of person to condemn someone for the rest of their life for making a mistake. He was on probation for years and served his time. Anything beyond that, I’d have trouble. You say he has a decade long history of violence against women? Really? I wasn’t aware of that. The tribute is controversial in and of itself, sure. Chris Brown was still free to perform but chose not to. He won an award in fact. Performing a Michael Jackson Thriller medley was seen as problematic. However she feels about him now doesn't change what he did so I don't see why that's relevant? Especially when it's obvious that this wasn't a one-time "mistake" and there have been multiple incidents of violence since then. And he's clearly not remorseful for what he did, instead he's using DARVO tactics to shift the blame. Even has the nerve to complain that Rihanna was bleeding on him after he beat her up, lmao. He "served his time" with a few years on probation and community service after he almost killed someone (seriously, read the police report). He did not spend a day in prison after he beat a woman so bad she had to be hospitalised. But you have trouble if he faces any more consequences than this? If you genuinely don't understand why people don't want a convicted domestic abuser celebrated and awarded on an international stage, I don't know what to tell you. And I'll stop talking about it now, don't want to derail the thread any further
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Post by LindavG on Nov 22, 2022 4:11:27 GMT
Certainly agree award shows are not what they used to be, for sure. The most recent Brit Awards was not very memorable either - it was more eventful in its 1990s heyday. Doesn't feel like they've had the legendary performances for quite a while too. If it wasn't for the MJ tribute controversy I wouldn't even have known the AMA's were happening. I feel like these days people just watch awards show highlights on YouTube instead of watching the whole thing live, if they even care at all. The ratings have been plummeting for years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 5:46:23 GMT
It reads more like they didn't want Chris Brown, a convicted violent domestic abuser, paying tribute to MJ due to allegations. Suggests they'd have had no problem with an artist with no convictions paying tribute to MJ as well as preferring an artist with a conviction doing something else. But not the two together. And this was Brown's first opportunity to perform at an awards show for the first time since the MeToo era emerged. Another consideration. Are you sure about this? So MJ would in fact be allowed a tribute/celebration on an awards show? Sure didn't your man sing Lady of my Life at a show there a few months ago to kick off the Thriller thing.
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Post by WildStyle on Nov 22, 2022 7:07:12 GMT
So this is what Branca decides go off about 🤦♂️. Maybe he handpicked Chris Brown himself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 7:20:13 GMT
So this is what Branca decides go off about 🤦♂️. Maybe he handpicked Chris Brown himself. Why what's he saying?
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Post by WildStyle on Nov 22, 2022 7:22:42 GMT
So this is what Branca decides go off about 🤦♂️. Maybe he handpicked Chris Brown himself. Why what's he saying?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 7:31:42 GMT
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Post by LindavG on Nov 22, 2022 7:36:38 GMT
Embarassing, and again playing Beat It in the background They are just begging to be trolled. And the race-baiting comments are not it.
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Post by SoCav on Nov 22, 2022 8:34:26 GMT
Painfully embarrassing... Also, the irony of the head of the Estate accusing another entity of being out of their depth...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 8:53:36 GMT
This is literally the ONLY negative thing I've seen publicly regarding this release (quality/track choices aside). No online protest, no stuck up articles, no believe victims stuff. This negatively has been solely manufactured for no reason at all but equally for the most insane of reasons.
How could anyone think that Chris Brown performing a tribute to Michael Jackson on US national (and worldwide) TV wouldn't be met with criticism and mockery?
Also, the state of that tick tock. This is all the proof I need that John Branca is completely out of touch and these tick tocks are aimed at low hanging fruit eg. The fans who respond to every post with "PERFECT OMG" and "KING" and stuff.
That video thing is an absolute embarrassment and this whole thing is after putting a slight shadow over what should be a great week of just listening to MJs music and watching the 4k videos.
Heaven forbid we go without controversy for once. Its painful being an MJ fan sometimes. Because of internal shit like this. Absolutely embarrassing. Focus on the music, Estate. Not on this hollow manufactured post-death "LOOK WHAT WE DID" Legacy you are trying to create out of sand with your powers.
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