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Post by invinciblegal on Jan 1, 2023 23:43:53 GMT
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Post by ghost on Jan 1, 2023 23:46:21 GMT
Meh. Groundhog dog alert.
Don't they do this every year? It feels like it.
Rolling Stone needs to quit making lists. No one cares.
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Post by invinciblegal on Jan 1, 2023 23:54:10 GMT
They also have Rhianna above MJ. I swear they do this for clickbait/attention at this stage.
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Post by electriceyes on Jan 1, 2023 23:57:41 GMT
Aaliyah is actually a beautiful singer. Obviously not MJ level, but still, there's far less deserving singers on the list imo.
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Post by Russg on Jan 2, 2023 0:03:14 GMT
Aaliyah is actually a beautiful singer. Obviously not MJ level, but still, there's far less deserving singers on the list imo. Give me a fucking break, usual pish lists from writers so far up there own ass and full of self importance RS assholes.. Aaliyah wouldn't be on any best of list if she hadn't died, let's be honest. I'm not usually one to get wound up by shit like this. I accept that the world does not revolve around Michael Jackson, but are we really saying Paul Mccartney and Bob Dylan are better singers than MJ? I mean, do these people not have ears? These lists will age like warm milk.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Jan 2, 2023 0:12:49 GMT
Rolling Stone needs to quit making lists. No one cares. That's clearly not true. They do these lists precisely because people care and it incites such intense and passionate debate. And the more absurd/baffling the rankings, the more tweets, replies and ad revenue they get.
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Post by WildStyle on Jan 2, 2023 1:08:26 GMT
Yeah, things like this just don't bother me at all any more.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 2, 2023 4:00:46 GMT
They really hate MJ, don't they? They put fucking Rihanna, Ariana Grande and the like above him as a vocalist. Another one they seem to hate is Celine Dion who didn't even make the list. As a vocalist...
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 2, 2023 5:21:52 GMT
Don't care enough about Trolling Stone to be upset by this, but whilst we're on the subject, I honestly believe MJ is so, so underrated as a vocalist.
He's the only singer who has made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. He's the only singer who's made me cry. I even physically shook once listening to one of his songs for the first time. Does that make him the best singer of all time? No, but this should:
Ignoring the ridiculous troll inclusions, look at the other singers on this list.... Freddie, Aretha and Whitney are a powerhouse, Mariah can squeeze in a gazillion notes a minute, Stevie is full of soul - all of these singers are utterly world class and nobody can deny that, right? But they all do one or two things with their voice. They do these things exceptionally well, but in my honest opinion, none of these singers cover as many bases or have the diversity that Michael had throughout his career. I'm not talking about genres of music covered, I'm talking about what they actually did with their voice over the course of their careers.
Look at Michael, he could emote with an unparalleled level of soul for a child star. The purity of his tone and the depth and sincerity of his delivery in the Jackson 5 is unmatched by most singers three times his age. Simply put, MJ would deserve to be in the top 20 for his Motown years alone.
Then as he started his solo career, we got to OTW/Thriller era, where his voice just melted like caramel on songs like LIML, Baby Be Mine and Rock With You. His tone was so rich and full of youthful exuberance, his falsetto on DSTYGE or Human Nature without peer. If we're talking about influence, how many male singers have tried to ape MJs falsetto from 79-82 era? Timberlake, Ne-Yo, Bieber, The Weeknd, to name but a few.
Then we move on to the Bad era, he is doing all sorts of crazy things with his voice, we see the introduction of rasp into his work. He's singing with an aggression more in line with what you'd hear on a James Brown record than anything in the pop music realm.
Enter the 90s, he has dialled this up to the max and what is dismissed by this uneducated writer as "vocal ticks" is quite honestly the work of a genius. Look at the vocal stems on YouTube for 2 Bad. Listen to the layering of beatboxing and vocal percussion that is hidden in the mix. There's another vocal stem video showing how he does this on Blood On The Dancefloor. It's actually really complex stuff, always funky as hell, always in the pocket and completely impossible not to be in awe of.
By the 90s and 00s, he has, at times, way more in common with rock/metal singers than most pop artists. He's full on screeching, shouting, growling. The raspiness has transformed to grit and the vocal distortion is present in almost every song. He pulls off studio feats that sound as if he must've passed out by the end of the song, they are that intense (see Keep The Faith, Earth Song). He is doing all of this while still showing up singers half his age by proving that the passing of time has done little to that magical, spine-tingling falsetto we all loved back in the 80s (see Butterflies). He never lost it.
These things, to me, is why Michael Jackson should be number one on any list of best vocalists. His versatility and the evolution of his voice throughout the years is criminally overlooked. There's a reason why almost nobody can successfully replicate his style without sounding like a pale imitation.
As for the people who dismiss his unique signature sound, they simply haven't paid close enough attention to the sheer scope and substance of his work as a vocalist. What that man did with his voice is nothing short of incredible and every bit as impressive as his dancing.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 2, 2023 6:12:02 GMT
They claim this was their criteria:
"In all cases, what mattered most to us was originality, influence, the depth of an artistβs catalog, and the breadth of their musical legacy."
Which makes MJ's placing all the more puzzling. Are they saying that people like Sam Cooke, Beyonce, Otis Redding, Al Green etc (just picking some people from their Top 10) have deeper catalogs and are more influential and original than MJ? Okay...
As for breadth of musical legacy:
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 2, 2023 6:16:19 GMT
I care less. all these artists on this are all the best their own right.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 2, 2023 6:21:06 GMT
Don't care enough about Trolling Stone to be upset by this, but whilst we're on the subject, I honestly believe MJ is so, so underrated as a vocalist. He's the only singer who has made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. He's the only singer who's made me cry. I even physically shook once listening to one of his songs for the first time. Does that make him the best singer of all time? No, but this should: Ignoring the ridiculous troll inclusions, look at the other singers on this list.... Freddie, Aretha and Whitney are a powerhouse, Mariah can squeeze in a gazillion notes a minute, Stevie is full of soul - all of these singers are utterly world class and nobody can deny that, right? But they all do one or two things with their voice. They do these things exceptionally well, but in my honest opinion, none of these singers cover as many bases or have the diversity that Michael had throughout his career. I'm not talking about genres of music covered, I'm talking about what they actually did with their voice over the course of their careers. Look at Michael, he could emote with an unparalleled level of soul for a child star. The purity of his tone and the depth and sincerity of his delivery in the Jackson 5 is unmatched by most singers three times his age. Simply put, MJ would deserve to be in the top 20 for his Motown years alone. Then as he started his solo career, we got to OTW/Thriller era, where his voice just melted like caramel on songs like LIML, Baby Be Mine and Rock With You. His tone was so rich and full of youthful exuberance, his falsetto on DSTYGE or Human Nature without peer. If we're talking about influence, how many male singers have tried to ape MJs falsetto from 79-82 era? Timberlake, Ne-Yo, Bieber, The Weeknd, to name but a few. Then we move on to the Bad era, he is doing all sorts of crazy things with his voice, we see the introduction of rasp into his work. He's singing with an aggression more in line with what you'd hear on a James Brown record than anything in the pop music realm. Enter the 90s, he has dialled this up to the max and what is dismissed by this uneducated writer as "vocal ticks" is quite honestly the work of a genius. Look at the vocal stems on YouTube for 2 Bad. Listen to the layering of beatboxing and vocal percussion that is hidden in the mix. There's another vocal stem video showing how he does this on Blood On The Dancefloor. It's actually really complex stuff, always funky as hell, always in the pocket and completely impossible not to be in awe of. By the 90s and 00s, he has, at times, way more in common with rock/metal singers than most pop artists. He's full on screeching, shouting, growling. The raspiness has transformed to grit and the vocal distortion is present in almost every song. He pulls off studio feats that sound as if he must've passed out by the end of the song, they are that intense (see Keep The Faith, Earth Song). He is doing all of this while still showing up singers half his age by proving that the passing of time has done little to that magical, spine-tingling falsetto we all loved back in the 80s (see Butterflies). He never lost it. These things, to me, is why Michael Jackson should be number one on any list of best vocalists. His versatility and the evolution of his voice throughout the years is criminally overlooked. There's a reason why almost nobody can successfully replicate his style without sounding like a pale imitation. As for the people who dismiss his unique signature sound, they simply haven't paid close enough attention to the sheer scope and substance of his work as a vocalist. What that man did with his voice is nothing short of incredible and every bit as impressive as his dancing. Beautifully put. You should write for Rolling Stone instead of these ignorant fools. BTW, there are lots of vocal coach reaction videos on YT that fully get MJ's vocal genius.
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 2, 2023 6:50:05 GMT
Don't care enough about Trolling Stone to be upset by this, but whilst we're on the subject, I honestly believe MJ is so, so underrated as a vocalist. He's the only singer who has made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. He's the only singer who's made me cry. I even physically shook once listening to one of his songs for the first time. Does that make him the best singer of all time? No, but this should: Ignoring the ridiculous troll inclusions, look at the other singers on this list.... Freddie, Aretha and Whitney are a powerhouse, Mariah can squeeze in a gazillion notes a minute, Stevie is full of soul - all of these singers are utterly world class and nobody can deny that, right? But they all do one or two things with their voice. They do these things exceptionally well, but in my honest opinion, none of these singers cover as many bases or have the diversity that Michael had throughout his career. I'm not talking about genres of music covered, I'm talking about what they actually did with their voice over the course of their careers. Look at Michael, he could emote with an unparalleled level of soul for a child star. The purity of his tone and the depth and sincerity of his delivery in the Jackson 5 is unmatched by most singers three times his age. Simply put, MJ would deserve to be in the top 20 for his Motown years alone. Then as he started his solo career, we got to OTW/Thriller era, where his voice just melted like caramel on songs like LIML, Baby Be Mine and Rock With You. His tone was so rich and full of youthful exuberance, his falsetto on DSTYGE or Human Nature without peer. If we're talking about influence, how many male singers have tried to ape MJs falsetto from 79-82 era? Timberlake, Ne-Yo, Bieber, The Weeknd, to name but a few. Then we move on to the Bad era, he is doing all sorts of crazy things with his voice, we see the introduction of rasp into his work. He's singing with an aggression more in line with what you'd hear on a James Brown record than anything in the pop music realm. Enter the 90s, he has dialled this up to the max and what is dismissed by this uneducated writer as "vocal ticks" is quite honestly the work of a genius. Look at the vocal stems on YouTube for 2 Bad. Listen to the layering of beatboxing and vocal percussion that is hidden in the mix. There's another vocal stem video showing how he does this on Blood On The Dancefloor. It's actually really complex stuff, always funky as hell, always in the pocket and completely impossible not to be in awe of. By the 90s and 00s, he has, at times, way more in common with rock/metal singers than most pop artists. He's full on screeching, shouting, growling. The raspiness has transformed to grit and the vocal distortion is present in almost every song. He pulls off studio feats that sound as if he must've passed out by the end of the song, they are that intense (see Keep The Faith, Earth Song). He is doing all of this while still showing up singers half his age by proving that the passing of time has done little to that magical, spine-tingling falsetto we all loved back in the 80s (see Butterflies). He never lost it. These things, to me, is why Michael Jackson should be number one on any list of best vocalists. His versatility and the evolution of his voice throughout the years is criminally overlooked. There's a reason why almost nobody can successfully replicate his style without sounding like a pale imitation. As for the people who dismiss his unique signature sound, they simply haven't paid close enough attention to the sheer scope and substance of his work as a vocalist. What that man did with his voice is nothing short of incredible and every bit as impressive as his dancing. Beautifully put. You should write for Rolling Stone instead of these ignorant fools. BTW, there are lots of vocal coach reaction videos on YT that fully get MJ's vocal genius. I love watching the vocal stem videos from this guy: He's done quite a few MJ videos and I think even the most seasoned of fans would gain a new-found appreciation for Mike's vocal prowess and the sheer amount of work he put into each song by watching these videos.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 2, 2023 7:05:54 GMT
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Post by Liberian Girl on Jan 2, 2023 7:29:07 GMT
Total clickbait. But I still enjoy the list and the ensuing debate/outrage. It's such a "check all the boxes" list - covering multiple genres, genders, races, generations. There's nothing wrong with that and there are great singers across the spectrum. But, it all feels so forced and studied (or not studied I guess)
I'd honestly rather read individual people's personal hot takes on the Top 200 with massive blind spots and clear prejudices and/or lack of exposure.
Also, I feel like they're conflating a bunch of stuff - including vocal quality and simple popularity. Rihanna could be Top 200 Greatest Artists (in the broad sense) - hugely popular, influential within music and beyond. But, IMO, her nasal, no-range drone shouldn't even be sniffing Top 200 Greatest Singers.
Granted, I don't think it's an "honest" list - and they know that. Again, clickbait - knowing it will get everyone hot and bothered - which it has.
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