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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 12:13:21 GMT
Just listening to an older rock playlist and it seems that everyone who's anyone has some sort of sordid past, allegation or rumour attached to their name. Steven Tyler, Marilyn Manson, Jimmy Page, David Bowie (obviously, many put Michael Jackson in this category). It seems a lot of people online write off someone the moment an accusation (or to be fair, conviction) is made. I struggled with Marilyn Manson for like a year but I can listen to their classic albums now without issue. I do have trouble listening to anything after 2003 (when most of the band had gone) as his music got very very violent towards women, which is around the time he is accused of assaulting his ex girlfriend and several others from then on. I have no problem separating that literal piece of septic scum from the music made in the 90s. On the same token, I always maintain Rock & Roll pt II by Garry Glitter is a banger. Are there any actual saints left? Can you listen to someone "controversial" without guilt? If not, do you hold others to your own standards? Every playlist
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Post by butterflies2 on Mar 20, 2023 14:43:19 GMT
I donโt listen to r.Kelly anymore but I still listen to songs he wrote for others
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Post by electriceyes on Mar 20, 2023 15:46:23 GMT
I still listen to R Kelly. I'm not a huge fan or anything, but really enjoyed his album The Chocolate Factory and still play it from time to time. It doesn't bother me and I don't really get why it should. The chords didn't commit the crimes.
Also, whilst Chris Rock was annoying asf about MJ in his last special, he kinda had a point about selective outrage. Society tells us it's okay to hero worship Elvis who sought legal guardianship of a 14yr old Priscilla who he later married, but MJ is problematic? The Elvis thing seems a lot worse to me as there's no denying what he did, whereas MJ always maintained his innocence.
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 20, 2023 16:00:49 GMT
My favourite bible quote is "first cast out the thorn out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the splinter out of thy brothers."
This is a concept that appears to be lost on many in the social media age. I struggle to muster up the energy to be outraged about something that didn't happen to me or someone I loved. I mean, obviously there are exceptions, I ain't going to go giving Hitler a pass for the Holocaust or anything and Gary Glitter seems a truly vile creature by all accounts. But in general, I try not to live my life judging others for their misdeeds.
I know people who defend cancel culture often say its about accountability, but I find that hard to believe in most cases. Besides, it's the victim of a crime who is owed justice and should be the one seeking accountability, not some stranger on the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 19:18:54 GMT
My favourite bible quote is "first cast out the thorn out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the splinter out of thy brothers." This is a concept that appears to be lost on many in the social media age. I struggle to muster up the energy to be outraged about something that didn't happen to me or someone I loved. I mean, obviously there are exceptions, I ain't going to go giving Hitler a pass for the Holocaust or anything and Gary Glitter seems a truly vile creature by all accounts. But in general, I try not to live my life judging others for their misdeeds. I know people who defend cancel culture often say its about accountability, but I find that hard to believe in most cases. Besides, it's the victim of a crime who is owed justice and should be the one seeking accountability, not some stranger on the internet. I just read that Glitter is BACK in prison after a few weeks! Honestly, how hard is it to NOT be a pedophile?
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Post by TonyR on Mar 20, 2023 19:38:23 GMT
My favourite bible quote is "first cast out the thorn out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the splinter out of thy brothers." This is a concept that appears to be lost on many in the social media age. I struggle to muster up the energy to be outraged about something that didn't happen to me or someone I loved. I mean, obviously there are exceptions, I ain't going to go giving Hitler a pass for the Holocaust or anything and Gary Glitter seems a truly vile creature by all accounts. But in general, I try not to live my life judging others for their misdeeds. I know people who defend cancel culture often say its about accountability, but I find that hard to believe in most cases. Besides, it's the victim of a crime who is owed justice and should be the one seeking accountability, not some stranger on the internet. I just read that Glitter is BACK in prison after a few weeks! Honestly, how hard is it to NOT be a pedophile? It's good to be back.
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Post by butterflies2 on Mar 20, 2023 22:05:27 GMT
Also, I listen to milli vanilli
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Post by Russg on Mar 21, 2023 7:40:39 GMT
Other than MJ, I don't really listen to any other artists that would be considered controversial.
I did listen to a little bit of Chris Brown before he beat the shit out of Rhianna. I didn't stop listening because of the assault, I just found his music aged like sour milk. I would kind of like to see his dick in real life, though - I guess it's not worth the risk since he'd likely punch me.
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Post by electriceyes on Mar 21, 2023 8:40:44 GMT
Other than MJ, I don't really listen to any other artists that would be considered controversial. I did listen to a little bit of Chris Brown before he beat the shit out of Rhianna. I didn't stop listening because of the assault, I just found his music aged like sour milk. I would kind of like to see his dick in real life, though - I guess it's not worth the risk since he'd likely punch me. TMI
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 9:01:28 GMT
Also, I listen to milli vanilli I wouldn't consider them to be controversial in the slightest, their label/management were the villains there IMO. Loves a bit of Milli und Vanilli!
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Post by Michaels Lover on Mar 21, 2023 11:32:48 GMT
Well, we all listen to MJ, so the answer is automatically yes
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Post by ghost on Mar 21, 2023 12:21:26 GMT
Well, we all listen to MJ, so the answer is automatically yes If you subscribe to the belief that MJ was innocent, which I think we all do, then he neither fits the "criminal" or "questionnable past" part of the poll question.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 12:24:55 GMT
Well, we all listen to MJ, so the answer is automatically yes If you subscribe to the belief that MJ was innocent, which I think we all do, then he neither fits the "criminal" or "questionnable past" part of the poll question. Michael's Lover has outed herself here as far as I'm concerned
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Post by ghost on Mar 21, 2023 12:29:05 GMT
If you subscribe to the belief that MJ was innocent, which I think we all do, then he neither fits the "criminal" or "questionnable past" part of the poll question. Michael's Lover has outed herself here as far as I'm concerned We're all fans here and I don't think anyone would seriously deny that MJ is a controversial artist. But the actual poll question asked if you listened to artists with criminal or questionable pasts. Don't you feel it's a little unfair to lump MJ in with that category if you truly believe he was innocent?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 12:36:23 GMT
Michael's Lover has outed herself here as far as I'm concerned We're all fans here and I don't think anyone would seriously deny that MJ is a controversial artist. But the actual poll question asked if you listened to artists with criminal or questionable pasts. Don't you feel it's a little unfair to lump MJ in with that category if you truly believe he was innocent? Not really, as in my original post i said "many put Michael Jackson in this category" so I was speaking from a global view, not my own. I consider him controversial because he's considered to be controversial, not necessarily because I consider him to be. Edit - Im actually not sure who you were responding to here, may have misinterpreted you.
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