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Post by Snow White on May 5, 2020 21:12:19 GMT
Can't the old hag be more entitled? Appealing money he's not owed is not financial elder abuse, glad the judge denied his claim!
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Post by SoCav on May 5, 2020 23:27:09 GMT
I really haven't followed the case. From what you guys are writing it sounds like he was trying to cash in, and that the original verdict was unjust. But am I the only one who finds it pretty pathetic that the Estate is doing a victory lap over this? The news was barely published for a minute and I already got a celebratory e-mail. As if the fanbase is supposed to get excited over a 'huge victory for Michael's Estate' in a petty lawsuit over royalties by a major former collaborator. If anything, I think the whole affair is rather sad. Seems like the only time we hear from these folks is when they hype things like this, promote some dull exclusive MJ One Celebration that no one cares about, or talk down to fans for having legitimate concerns about their crap projects. I have never seen a social media team that is so out of touch with their clientele.  |
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Post by aazzaabb on May 6, 2020 0:21:22 GMT
I really haven't followed the case. From what you guys are writing it sounds like he was trying to cash in, and that the original verdict was unjust. But am I the only one who finds it pretty pathetic that the Estate is doing a victory lap over this? The news was barely published for a minute and I already got a celebratory e-mail. As if the fanbase is supposed to get excited over a 'huge victory for Michael's Estate' in a petty lawsuit over royalties by a major former collaborator. If anything, I think the whole affair is rather sad. Seems like the only time we hear from these folks is when they hype things like this, promote some dull exclusive MJ One Celebration that no one cares about, or talk down to fans for having legitimate concerns about their crap projects. I have never seen a social media team that is so out of touch with their clientele. Nah I agree with you! Apart from the wonderful catalog MJ left us, this is the most boring and exhausting fandom I’m involved with. It’s all political crap I haven’t an ounce of interest in. I couldn’t care less if Quincy wins or loses. A fucking email about this as if I should be excited or happy or celebrating?? Like seriously WTF??!! I literally check in here to see how my friends are doing and the occasional music threads, but there’s literally nothing happening within the MJ camp to get excited about. I watched Ghosts yesterday on YouTube in crappy pixilated VHS quality in 2020!! I’ll always be an MJ fan, but I’ve lost all interest in the latest news because it’s never about anything other than a fucking court case or some dumbass cartoon or play. I don’t even have the interest or energy to pretend I’m interested anymore. It’s the most watered down rehashed crap on a spinning wheel that just goes round and round in a circle. |
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Post by rhilo on May 6, 2020 2:47:31 GMT
I can't look past the fact that Quincy has been running his mouth on MJ since he passed away. So I like to think that the estate's statement is grounded on a number of factors including negative statements made by Quincy about Michael and not just based the court case alone.
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Post by Vega on May 6, 2020 2:56:48 GMT
I really haven't followed the case. From what you guys are writing it sounds like he was trying to cash in, and that the original verdict was unjust. But am I the only one who finds it pretty pathetic that the Estate is doing a victory lap over this? The news was barely published for a minute and I already got a celebratory e-mail. As if the fanbase is supposed to get excited over a 'huge victory for Michael's Estate' in a petty lawsuit over royalties by a major former collaborator. If anything, I think the whole affair is rather sad. Seems like the only time we hear from these folks is when they hype things like this, promote some dull exclusive MJ One Celebration that no one cares about, or talk down to fans for having legitimate concerns about their crap projects. I have never seen a social media team that is so out of touch with their clientele. Yeah this is a weird victory lap to take. Quincy is a douche (independent of his lawsuit) but he's not the enemy, unlike some people currently suing the estate. |
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Post by respect77 on May 6, 2020 4:08:04 GMT
I really haven't followed the case. From what you guys are writing it sounds like he was trying to cash in, and that the original verdict was unjust. But am I the only one who finds it pretty pathetic that the Estate is doing a victory lap over this? The news was barely published for a minute and I already got a celebratory e-mail. As if the fanbase is supposed to get excited over a 'huge victory for Michael's Estate' in a petty lawsuit over royalties by a major former collaborator. If anything, I think the whole affair is rather sad. Seems like the only time we hear from these folks is when they hype things like this, promote some dull exclusive MJ One Celebration that no one cares about, or talk down to fans for having legitimate concerns about their crap projects. I have never seen a social media team that is so out of touch with their clientele.
Not only that but they made a completely misleading statement to Variety:
Branca is pathetic to act like the lawsuit was about Quincy personally attacking MJ and mischaracterizing him. It wasn't. It solely had to do with what the Estate executors did since MJ's death. I think by acting like this was an attack on MJ they don't do any favors to MJ, giving the impression that the legal battle was about something he did, trying to hide the fact that it was about something they (the people running his Estate) supposedly did. This is also a cheap way to try to rally MJ fans behind them.
I do think Quincy was greedy and the fact he used Wade Robson's lawyers (the previous ones Gradstein & Marzano) for this is further insult to injury. I wonder if they met during the Robson case when they were trying to fish around people close to MJ and while he had nothing to offer them re. the allegations, they talked him into suing the Estate for royalties (that law firm's specialty is actually royalty cases - it was Robson who was an anomaly for their regular practice)?
In any case, I think the verdict is right, I think Quincy was greedy, but I do agree with you this behavior is pathetic by the Estate. And also you can tell that their priorities are always things that have to do with them, as executors, not MJ. Even with the projects. We have 10 year anniversary celebrations for This Is It, while nothing for Dangerous or HIStory. Why do you think they love TII so much? Because it is their baby. Anything MJ did before his death isn't and they don't care about those too much. Just about celebrating themselves. You can tell when an article was fed by the MJ Estate. It always goes on about how Branca and the Estate managed to turn around MJ's debt, always focuses heavily on how great the Estate is doing financially, not on the art. If projects are mentioned, only those that were the executor's babies.
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Post by rhilo on May 6, 2020 7:28:49 GMT
This shit right here
Can never forgive him for calling Michael a thief and greedy. He's trying the discredit the only thing that's not questioned about Michael, which is his artistry.
He's one bitter ass, so what if the estate added somethings in there that don't reflect the nature of the case? I guess it was an opportunity for them to address Quincy's malice toward Michael. Maybe they were wrong to do so, but I have not complaints.
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Post by respect77 on May 6, 2020 7:44:53 GMT
This shit right here
Can never forgive him for calling Michael a thief and greedy. He's trying the discredit the only thing that's not questioned about Michael, which is his artistry.
He's one bitter ass, so what if the estate added somethings in there that don't reflect the nature of the case? I guess it was an opportunity for them to address Quincy's malice toward Michael. Maybe they were wrong to do so, but I have not complaints.
Yes, from that POV, you are right. That was an unforgivable interview, which also caused a lot of damage. I still see dumb people on YouTube cite him on how "MJ stole Billie Jean". Which is just ridiculous. Actually Quincy did try to suggest in court as well that he should get more credit for those three albums both artistically and financially. It's all an ego trip for him, IMO. I never understood his jealousy of MJ, because IMO it's jealousy. You don't see George Martin be jealous of the Beatles. He understands it's their common legacy not a competition between them. It's so sad. SMH. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 10:27:20 GMT
This shit right here
Can never forgive him for calling Michael a thief and greedy. He's trying the discredit the only thing that's not questioned about Michael, which is his artistry.
He's one bitter ass, so what if the estate added somethings in there that don't reflect the nature of the case? I guess it was an opportunity for them to address Quincy's malice toward Michael. Maybe they were wrong to do so, but I have not complaints.
Yes, from that POV, you are right. That was an unforgivable interview, which also caused a lot of damage. I still see dumb people on YouTube cite him on how "MJ stole Billie Jean". Which is just ridiculous. Actually Quincy did try to suggest in court as well that he should get more credit for those three albums both artistically and financially. It's all an ego trip for him, IMO. I never understood his jealousy of MJ, because IMO it's jealousy. You don't see George Martin be jealous of the Beatles. He understands it's their common legacy not a competition between them. It's so sad. SMH. It's a shame because his input would have been invaluable for Bad 25. I actually enjoy his interviews on the special editions, and I always have a large place in my heart for Quincy, but I'm still raw over the way the London gig was handles last year. Should have been a great night, but was literally a waste of £120 that I just handed to him and I couldn't get anything back. Even though the show was an MJ show, it looked like a shambles, people hadn't learned the words and the crowd were confused/put off by the name/name change situation. He sat down for the whole show and got up at the end. Fast forward a few weeks to Paris, and it looked electric. Loads of love for MJ in an MJ heavy set, where he was giving input. Ditto Montreux. It's a regret that I will probably never see him perform, but I don't regret not going to London. i'd be very very interested in Quincy's vision for how Bad should have sounded. MJ wanted the more modern drums, so I imagine Quincy wanted to stick with the Thriller-ish sound. I'd love to hear this. Even if not Quincy, I'd love to hear Bad with less synthesized music, even though it would suck. |
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Post by respect77 on May 6, 2020 10:52:32 GMT
"was literally a waste of £120 that I just handed to him" Still better spent than paying unqualified fraudster Wade Robson $150 an hour just to give you life advice that you can find on the Internet for free. Sorry, I had to.  Actually it does highlight how ridiculous his charges are. One online hour with Wade Fucking Robson costs as much as a ticket to a Quincy Jones concert. What a rip off! SMH. |
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Post by rhilo on May 6, 2020 10:55:40 GMT
I think Quincy's in the Sonic Fantasy docu.
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Post by respect77 on May 6, 2020 11:19:27 GMT
I think Quincy's in the Sonic Fantasy docu. He probably will be. I won't let his behavior ruin the film for me, though. That album is legendary and I'm happy we get a positive documentary on it. Quincy was a part of it, so any film about the album wouldn't be complete without him. I'll separate the art and artist here. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 9:21:09 GMT
I think Quincy's in the Sonic Fantasy docu. He probably will be. I won't let his behavior ruin the film for me, though. That album is legendary and I'm happy we get a positive documentary on it. Quincy was a part of it, so any film about the album wouldn't be complete without him. I'll separate the art and artist here. Exactly. Quincy played a large role in MJ's life. We cant ignore that. |
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on May 7, 2020 12:11:53 GMT
Am i ignorant for having no clue about what sonic fantasy is!!!
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Post by HIStoric on May 7, 2020 13:22:27 GMT
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