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Post by TonyR on Sept 19, 2023 14:23:30 GMT
Excellent. This: anyone who questions this mentality is apparently unsupportive of victims This is the crucial bit that means no-one dare support anyone anymore, whether Brand, Michael or even the heinous way Holly Wiloughby abandoned her friend Philip Schofield. The other lens Fiona which I think would make a great piece is how we view history through a present day lens. At the time, Brand's behaviour of promiscuity was a part of his charm and personality. Now these clips they drag out in a post MeToo age look dark and troubling. Michael had the same with taking boys to awards shows and holding them on his lap. Obviously if Brand has forced anyone then that goes beyond. But a 29 year old man having a relationship with a willing 16 year old, although can be looked on in retrospect as creepy or even immoral is not a criminal offence.
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Post by MattyJam on Sept 19, 2023 15:21:21 GMT
The alternate title was "Why Twitters full of morons."
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Post by Liberian Girl on Sept 19, 2023 15:58:26 GMT
Thanks for having a read of it, Tony.
I agree with you wholeheartedly - people can make questionable choices, even what we consider to be immoral ones... and we're free to disagree with that but there is a clear distinction between that and breaking the law. So far there's been no criminal investigation and no trial - yet people act as if there has been and found him guilty.
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Post by MattyJam on Sept 19, 2023 16:19:02 GMT
Thanks for having a read of it, Tony. I agree with you wholeheartedly - people can make questionable choices, even what we consider to be immoral ones... and we're free to disagree with that but there is a clear distinction between that and breaking the law. So far there's been no criminal investigation and no trial - yet people act as if there has been and found him guilty. This might be an unpopular opinion but even if they find him guilty, it's not our place to judge or condemn or throw the book at him. People love standing on their soapbox and pontificating, but as far as I'm concerned the only people who have the right to judge are the jury when sentencing and the individuals who were affected by his crimes. That goes for Russell or anyone who's committed a crime imo.
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Post by TonyR on Sept 19, 2023 16:24:46 GMT
Thanks for having a read of it, Tony. I agree with you wholeheartedly - people can make questionable choices, even what we consider to be immoral ones... and we're free to disagree with that but there is a clear distinction between that and breaking the law. So far there's been no criminal investigation and no trial - yet people act as if there has been and found him guilty. As I mentioned, Schofield was a perfect example of this. Absolutely nothing wrong (aside from cheating) but vilified and forced from his jobs. Everyone virtue signaling combined with homophobia.
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Post by TonyR on Sept 19, 2023 16:32:48 GMT
Thanks for having a read of it, Tony. I agree with you wholeheartedly - people can make questionable choices, even what we consider to be immoral ones... and we're free to disagree with that but there is a clear distinction between that and breaking the law. So far there's been no criminal investigation and no trial - yet people act as if there has been and found him guilty. This might be an unpopular opinion but even if they find him guilty, it's not our place to judge or condemn or throw the book at him. People love standing on their soapbox and pontificating, but as far as I'm concerned the only people who have the right to judge are the jury when sentencing and the individuals who were affected by his crimes. That goes for Russell or anyone who's committed a crime imo. Weeeeeellll....if someone is a murderer or rapist etc. I think it's only natural to judge them. I judge Fred West pretty harshly for example. But sort of get your point
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Post by MattyJam on Sept 19, 2023 16:53:32 GMT
This might be an unpopular opinion but even if they find him guilty, it's not our place to judge or condemn or throw the book at him. People love standing on their soapbox and pontificating, but as far as I'm concerned the only people who have the right to judge are the jury when sentencing and the individuals who were affected by his crimes. That goes for Russell or anyone who's committed a crime imo. Weeeeeellll....if someone is a murderer or rapist etc. I think it's only natural to judge them. I judge Fred West pretty harshly for example. But sort of get your point Yeah, but then you get into the whole debate about what made them do those things in the first place. As we all know, not all, but a significant percentage of abusers/murderers come from terrible backgrounds and you just think "there by the grace of God go I." To a large degree, we are all products of our upbringing and it makes you wonder how many seemingly upstanding and law-abiding citizens among us would still be that way if they hadn't come from such well adjusted and stable homes? That's just something I try to keep in mind...
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Post by kelley on Sept 19, 2023 16:54:24 GMT
I forget the logic of this in MJ boards: 1. I like them/they supported MJ = not guilty, travesty of justice 2. They made jokes/didn't support MJ = hang the cunt.
Yep.
I don't give a damn if He did it or not. He joined the lynch mob against Michael so I will not waste my time looking into the evidence in his case.
He was accused, therefore he is guilty.
Im just applying the same standard to him that he applied to Michael.
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Post by TonyR on Sept 19, 2023 16:54:35 GMT
Weeeeeellll....if someone is a murderer or rapist etc. I think it's only natural to judge them. I judge Fred West pretty harshly for example. But sort of get your point Yeah, but then you get into the whole debate about what made them do those things in the first place. As we all know, not all, but a significant percentage of abusers/murderers come from terrible backgrounds and you just think "there by the grace of God go I." To a large degree, we are all products of our upbringing and it makes you wonder how many seemingly upstanding and law-abiding citizens among us would still be that way if they hadn't come from such well adjusted and stable homes? That's just something I try to keep in mind... If this is your way of justifying Hitler then you're on your own.
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Post by TonyR on Sept 19, 2023 16:55:34 GMT
I forget the logic of this in MJ boards: 1. I like them/they supported MJ = not guilty, travesty of justice 2. They made jokes/didn't support MJ = hang the cunt.
Yep.
I don't give a damn if He did it or not. He joined the lynch mob against Michael so I will not waste my time looking into the evidence in his case.
He was accused, therefore he is guilty.
Im just applying the same standard to him that he applied to Michael.
Mental. You don't agree with the way he behaved so therefore you're behaving the same way you criticise.
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Post by MattyJam on Sept 19, 2023 17:00:04 GMT
Yeah, but then you get into the whole debate about what made them do those things in the first place. As we all know, not all, but a significant percentage of abusers/murderers come from terrible backgrounds and you just think "there by the grace of God go I." To a large degree, we are all products of our upbringing and it makes you wonder how many seemingly upstanding and law-abiding citizens among us would still be that way if they hadn't come from such well adjusted and stable homes? That's just something I try to keep in mind... If this is your way of justifying Hitler then you're on your own. Well, there's crimes and then there's crimes. π Why does it always come back to Hitler with you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 17:01:08 GMT
This thread is mental
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Post by TonyR on Sept 19, 2023 17:04:01 GMT
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Post by kelley on Sept 19, 2023 17:04:36 GMT
Yep.
I don't give a damn if He did it or not. He joined the lynch mob against Michael so I will not waste my time looking into the evidence in his case.
He was accused, therefore he is guilty.
Im just applying the same standard to him that he applied to Michael.
Mental. You don't agree with the way he behaved so therefore you're behaving the same way you criticise. Yep
I have been forced to watch Michael be continually lynched since I was 8 years old and became a fan. And very few people ever stood up for him or called the media out for the disgusting unethical behavior. People just sat back and said nothing while they drove him to an early grave.
Russell Brand made jokes about what happened to Michael. So I have ZERO sympathy for him. He never once spoke out and asked the public to give Michael presumption of innocence or due process
So fuck him. I mean that.
He is getting what he deserves.
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Post by TonyR on Sept 19, 2023 17:04:59 GMT
If this is your way of justifying Hitler then you're on your own. Well, there's crimes and then there's crimes. π Why does it always come back to Hitler with you? It's the Jew in me.
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