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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2023 3:06:26 GMT
I'm in shock since Saturday. The way people celebrate the mass murder, rape, kidnapping of civilians, women, children at these pro-Palestine demonstrations. I have no words. This is what it must have been like for Jews in the 1920s, 1930s with brownshirts marching up and down the streets. There will be war crimes on both sides. Don't worry about it. Don't revel in it. Just know it. There will be slaughter to match the slaughter Hamas perpetrated. Don't be naive about the retaliation. Of course, there are going to be lots of civilian deaths. Hamas doesn't only kill Israeli civilians but deliberately does everything to keep the Palestinian death count high for PR purposes. This has been their strategy forever. The Israeli army has the practices of warning civilians in advance where they'd bomb, but Hamas is telling citizens NOT to evacuate to keep the death count high. Here's the Israeli army warning Gazans in Arabic on Monday where they'd bomb and where they should go for shelter: And here's Hamas telling Gazans to ignore it: It's a popular narrative (especially on the pro-Palestinian left) that Israeli army is just as bad as terrorists, but that's quite simply not true. There are bad apples and atrocities everywhere, I'm sure you could bring up such examples, but unlike Hamas, it's not the intention for the IDF to deliberately murder civilians. In fact, they developed this pre-warning system that I showed above. And here are some more examples of this from the past: And the so called "knock on roof". They first send a small explosive that doesn't cause big harm to warn people to evacuate the building. Then they send the bomb that would destroy the building. As far as I know, no other army is doing this. Although there are news that now the Israeli army too has abandoned this practice in the last few days. They are fully done with Hamas now and the intention is to completely eradicate them. Unfortunately that will result in lots of civilian deaths as well. In a such a such densely populated area, especially when Hamas deliberately uses citizens as human shields and when some people are so fanatized that when Israel warns rather than evacuating, they gather more people it's simply unavoidable. Here's another video from years ago when a man tells how the Israelis warned him in advance that they'd bomb his house but instead of evacuating he gathered more people on the roof... Unfortunately this is a fully fanatized and religiously indoctrinated society from birth. It's very difficult to reason with this: And IMO there's a lot of anti-Israel bias even in Western media when it comes to this conflict.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2023 3:34:53 GMT
Respect talked earlier about how shocking it has been to see people on streets of London, New York and even Sydney celebrating Hamas' atrocities. The Left are inconsistent, strange and will now have to perform serious mental gymnastics given their years strong identification with the Palestinians. The Left has already created new symbols around the terrorists. The full thread is worth reading: CNN's Jake Tapper finally realizing that the Left has a serious antisemitism problem (what took so long?): BTW, re Palestinian society, let me add this too:
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Post by Russg on Oct 12, 2023 6:28:04 GMT
Hamas doesn't only kill Israeli civilians but deliberately does everything to keep the Palestinian death count high for PR purposes. This has been their strategy forever. The Israeli army has the practices of warning civilians in advance where they'd bomb, but Hamas is telling citizens NOT to evacuate to keep the death count high. Here's the Israeli army warning Gazans in Arabic on Monday where they'd bomb and where they should go for shelter: And here's Hamas telling Gazans to ignore it: So, just so I'm understanding this correctly, Hamas are asking their own people (the Palestinians) to stay in their houses, gather more people around and wait to be bombed? Why on earth would anyone comply with this? I don't understand.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2023 7:10:13 GMT
Hamas doesn't only kill Israeli civilians but deliberately does everything to keep the Palestinian death count high for PR purposes. This has been their strategy forever. The Israeli army has the practices of warning civilians in advance where they'd bomb, but Hamas is telling citizens NOT to evacuate to keep the death count high. Here's the Israeli army warning Gazans in Arabic on Monday where they'd bomb and where they should go for shelter: And here's Hamas telling Gazans to ignore it: So, just so I'm understanding this correctly, Hamas are asking their own people (the Palestinians) to stay in their houses, gather more people around and wait to be bombed? Why on earth would anyone comply with this? I don't understand. Yes. And why? Some sort of fanatical jihadist reason. Just watch the videos I posted above. You'll get a glimpse into that mentality. Meanwhile: Because it's not and never been about the Palestinian people for the Arab world.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2023 7:17:36 GMT
This.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2023 7:59:42 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Oct 12, 2023 11:37:40 GMT
Respect talked earlier about how shocking it has been to see people on streets of London, New York and even Sydney celebrating Hamas' atrocities. The Left are inconsistent, strange and will now have to perform serious mental gymnastics given their years strong identification with the Palestinians. The Left has already created new symbols around the terrorists. The full thread is worth reading: CNN's Jake Tapper finally realizing that the Left has a serious antisemitism problem (what took so long?): BTW, re Palestinian society, let me add this too: Thanks for providing those. I will look at them after work tonight before giving my personal thoughts! I must say that a lot of Hamas' ideology and actions are pretty recognisable to me precisely because PIRA is similar in quite a few ways. PIRA regarded their disgusting terrorism and that of Hamas as "one struggle". Even in recent years in Republican parts of Belfast and Londonderry you can see the support for Hamas. Note the depiction of Benjamin Netanyahu as "The Butcher of Gaza" and Barack Obama as a "collaborator". Not all political ideologies and beliefs are valid, equal OR just. Hamas must be brought to their knees before there can be a political solution in the Middle East. Spain is at peace because they defeated ETA (another friend of Hamas & PIRA). Northern Ireland achieved a political settlement because the PIRA was defeated and they got NONE of their long held key core demands in the Belfast Agreement. Israel and Palestine will have peace ONCE the various terrorist organisations operating there have been defeated.
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Post by pg13 on Oct 12, 2023 11:42:46 GMT
Hamas doesn't only kill Israeli civilians but deliberately does everything to keep the Palestinian death count high for PR purposes. This has been their strategy forever. The Israeli army has the practices of warning civilians in advance where they'd bomb, but Hamas is telling citizens NOT to evacuate to keep the death count high. Here's the Israeli army warning Gazans in Arabic on Monday where they'd bomb and where they should go for shelter: And here's Hamas telling Gazans to ignore it: So, just so I'm understanding this correctly, Hamas are asking their own people (the Palestinians) to stay in their houses, gather more people around and wait to be bombed? Why on earth would anyone comply with this? I don't understand. The reason why you don't understand it, Russ, is because you're not familiar with the concept of terrorist groups as a destructive cult. After work, I'll look through some of my stuff to see what I've got that might help you with this. Yes, I've got a sizeable personal library specialising in terrorism, security and counter-terrorism. It's a topic of huge personal interest to me, you see. I even read reports from NATO StratCom COE from time to time.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Oct 12, 2023 13:57:32 GMT
I doubt even God could explain this madness!!
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Oct 12, 2023 14:00:55 GMT
I'm in shock since Saturday. The way people celebrate the mass murder, rape, kidnapping of civilians, women, children at these pro-Palestine demonstrations. I have no words. This is what it must have been like for Jews in the 1920s, 1930s with brownshirts marching up and down the streets. There are a lot more videos. They are celebrating but I think the "Palestinian cause" too died on Saturday. stupid kids dont realise they would have been in the gas chambers aswell due to their skin and religion. Although this is on another level but they got their in the end in northern ireland . You can only pray, hope ehatever that something will come out of this madness
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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2023 16:23:26 GMT
This is an La Times reporter trying to cast doubt on the stories about Hamas's atrocities. Unreal.
So the victim is here questioned, because after being raped and just having escaped a murderous rampage she said Gaza should be wiped off the map? And that somehow makes her not credible? I guess she'd be more credible if she'd show love and compassion to her rapists.
Leftist mainstream media: believe victims.
Also leftist mainstream media: unless they are Jews because then they must provide filmed evidence that it happened. Especially when they accuse a wholesome organization such as Hamas, who we know would just never commit such atrocities.
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"A vague government claim is not enough"
Translation: Jews are never to be believed at face value. However we will report whatever Hamas claims about the number of civilian deaths in Gaza or other things as a fact without any doubt.
The "progressive" left is really showing their asses these days. My God, Holocaust denial didn't start this fast after the fact!
ETA: When I first saw this footage my immediate thought too was that she was brutally raped. Yet here we have an LA Times journalist telling us that we should be careful with slandering Hamas and believing stories that they'd rape women. Unreal.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2023 16:49:09 GMT
Good
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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2023 17:26:57 GMT
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Oct 12, 2023 17:31:56 GMT
This is an La Times reporter trying to cast doubt on the stories about Hamas's atrocities. Unreal. So the victim is here questioned, because after being raped and just having escaped a murderous rampage she said Gaza should be wiped off the map? And that somehow makes her not credible? I guess she'd be more credible if she'd show love and compassion to her rapists. Leftist mainstream media: believe victims. Also leftist mainstream media: unless they are Jews because then they must provide filmed evidence that it happened. Especially when they accuse a wholesome organization such as Hamas, who we know would just never commit such atrocities. And: "A vague government claim is not enough" Translation: Jews are never to be believed at face value. However we will report whatever Hamas claims about the number of civilian deaths in Gaza or other things as a fact without any doubt. The "progressive" left is really showing their asses these days. My God, Holocaust denial didn't start this fast after the fact! ETA: When I first saw this footage my immediate thought too was that she was brutally raped. Yet here we have an LA Times journalist telling us that we should be careful with slandering Hamas and believing stories that they'd rape women. Unreal. Seriously how do they expect her to react๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ. Theres was a similar piece in โgoodโole channel 4 news the other night talking to a man whose wife and very young kids have been kidnapped. Asking him really stupid questions and kinda baiting him. How every much we dont want to see an eye for eye if ever we could pardon someone coming out with such comments is someone who is going through that. Interesting comments by an ex negotiator from israel on the radio whos in contact woth hamas and said said that it wasnt just hamas who went in but islamic jihad and the Peoples liberation front. He said they took people aswell and hamas said we want them and they said no.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2023 17:54:17 GMT
Correction: the thing about rapes was reported by man who witnessed them and the other atrocities, not a woman who was raped. Nevertheless, my point stands: it's perfectly natural to be angry after someone survives and witnesses such horrors. I don't know how it discredits his account when there is physical evidence of brutal atrocities.
Anyway, I feel like in the twilight zone about how quickly this turned into a Holocaust denial kind of stuff. And it was only a couple of days ago when terrorists themselves uploaded footage of their atrocities on social media and bragged about them. And then thousands all over the world flocked to the streets to celebrate those atrocities. But now somehow they are starting to say they didn't actually happen and Jews are lying and making them up...
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