Yaza
Wondering Who
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Post by Yaza on Apr 8, 2024 19:50:08 GMT
I love Dangerous but it could have benefited a lot from some editing. Some songs run way too long. In the Closet does not need to be 6m30s. Heal The World does not need to be 6m24s. Dangerous did not need to be almost 7 minutes long! Can’t let her get away isn’t really that long at 5 minutes but the last 60 seconds could have been easily cut.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 8, 2024 20:20:08 GMT
I love Dangerous but it could have benefited a lot from some editing. Some songs run way too long. In the Closet does not need to be 6m30s. Heal The World does not need to be 6m24s. Dangerous did not need to be almost 7 minutes long! Can’t let her get away isn’t really that long at 5 minutes but the last 60 seconds could have been easily cut. But the last 60secs of CLHGA is the best bit!!! |
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The Legend Continues
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Post by TonyR on Apr 9, 2024 11:50:54 GMT
I love Dangerous but it could have benefited a lot from some editing. Some songs run way too long. In the Closet does not need to be 6m30s. Heal The World does not need to be 6m24s. Dangerous did not need to be almost 7 minutes long! Can’t let her get away isn’t really that long at 5 minutes but the last 60 seconds could have been easily cut. But the last 60secs of CLHGA is the best bit!!! I love Dangerous like it was one of my own children, and some of the posts above sicken me to my core. But if I had do anything to it, it would be cutting these 60 seconds off. |
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 9, 2024 12:37:13 GMT
I love Dangerous like it was one of my own children Father of the year. |
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Post by mjjfan810 on Apr 9, 2024 12:47:25 GMT
But the last 60secs of CLHGA is the best bit!!! I love Dangerous like it was one of my own children, and some of the posts above sicken me to my core. But if I had do anything to it, it would be cutting these 60 seconds off. Shave off 4mins58secs and it'd be even better. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Apr 10, 2024 21:41:38 GMT
JAM (9.5/10)- The glass breaking at the start is the sound of the 80s finishing. His delivery is nothing short of excellent. The mysterious and dark lyrics he evokes so well in his distressed singing, there’s parts where you feel he’s almost about to explode, until he does in the chorus…JAM! Why You Wanna Trip on Me (10/10) - This and Jam are a staple in my exercise playlists, so funky and full of energy. In the Closet (5/10) - Some parts clash and it runs way too long at 6 minutes and 30 seconds! I do enjoy Michael’s sensual delivery though and the music video is fantastic. She Drives Me Wild (10/10) - My personal favourite from the album. Sorry in the closet fans, but this is Michael’s HOTTEST song. Remember The Time (8/10) - Such a fun song and the music video is just lovely. Can’t Let Her Get Away (7/10) - The two verses are so good, but I find the song is let down by an anticlimactic hook. Heal The World (6/10) - Too saccharine for me but the melody is great. It’s good for what it is. Black or White (8/10) - Great song with a great message, the guitar in this is fab. Who is It (10/10) - A masterpiece, so many intricate layers. Learning that Michael is the person singing the intro just blew my mind. Give in to Me (7/10) - Nice. Will You Be There (10/10) - Michael’s best “gospel” song. The Cleveland orchestra is simply amazing. Beautiful start to finish. Keep The Faith (9.5/10) - Gave the above competition in the gospel genre. This song is a tour de force and such an underrated gem. I love the break down at the end with the background singers. Gone too Soon (9/10) - Sad and yet so beautiful. Dangerous (7/10) - A great closer. I love the fact that you appreciate the New Jack Swing tracks! Personally, they’re my favourites on the album. I also love Keep The Faith. On first listen to Dangerous in 91 it blew me away. So underrated. |
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 10, 2024 22:12:58 GMT
Who is It (10/10) - A masterpiece, so many intricate layers. Learning that Michael is the person singing the intro just blew my mind.
This is brand new information to me. Just listened and yes, when you know his voice well, you can totally hear it's his voice. Incredible. |
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Post by pg13 on Apr 10, 2024 22:22:15 GMT
Who is It (10/10) - A masterpiece, so many intricate layers. Learning that Michael is the person singing the intro just blew my mind.
This is brand new information to me. Just listened and yes, when you know his voice well, you can totally hear it's his voice. Incredible. That information is in the Dangerous booklet. The soprano in the intro is credited to Michael Jackson AND Linda Harmon. For some reason, most fans forget this bit as its not just MJ singing. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Apr 10, 2024 22:22:19 GMT
Who is It (10/10) - A masterpiece, so many intricate layers. Learning that Michael is the person singing the intro just blew my mind.
This is brand new information to me. Just listened and yes, when you know his voice well, you can totally hear it's his voice. Incredible. Are you aware that MJ is also the werwolf howling at the beginning of Thriller? My mind was blown when I learned that. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Apr 27, 2024 14:57:23 GMT
Incoming highfalutin rambling.
The earths globe is a central theme for Michael Jackson’s entire Dangerous era and without it he wouldn’t have made an album! In fact he wouldn’t have come out of his bedroom for a year!
He was completely obsessed with the earths globe! Heal The World being the centrepiece. The Heal The World foundation being his primary motivation to tour. The globe with the hands of two children being it’s image. The tour was Michael’s attempt to fix the world each night he stepped on stage. Or was catapulted on stage. The Globe, an image throughout the concert and the album. On the album sleeve the globe is front and centre of Mark Ryden’s artwork.
Then there’s the omitted Planet Earth poem written to segway into What About Us. I’m surprised he didn’t call it What About Earth at this point, or What About The Image Of The Globe I’m So Obsessed With!
In the Jam short film a globe smashes through a window and is kicked by the foot of a child, and reappears at the end of the film and bounced away by that same child as a basketball. Susan Fast, in her Dangerous book asserts the idea that Michael Jordan’s basketball is, in fact, that globe (here’s what good things can be done with the world in the hands of a virtuoso).
The sound of the glass breaking suggesting that something needs to be fixed. Planet Earth?
So is this “thee central theme” for Dangerous? The globe?
The Will You Be There music video which uses live footage of the performance sees a child pass the earths globe to an angle. There’s a possibly interesting assertion here; Michael only seems to trust the earths globe in the hands of children.
The Heal The World live performance features the massive globe centre stage with children circling it.
The Dangerous album is where MJ began to use disruptive sounds to begin albums/songs, ie: breaking glass, a car starting up/honking horn etc, and this continues through HIStory, Blood on The Dance Floor and Invincible. They seem to suggest that something needs to be fixed. All of the songs that begin like this, Morphine, Scream, seem to follow this theme where something is broken/disrupted and MJ is trying to fix something internal, or external.
In the Black or White short film, again we get the shattered glass in the form of MJ’s framed poster falling to the floor and shattering. Susan Fast offers here that this is more a reference to MJ breaking free. I feel that also. We get two children sat atop the earths globe near the central point in the film before MJ walks through fire.
During the Dangerous Tour Michael bursts through the stage to the sound of a panther. Susan Fast has offered the idea that this show opening; fireworks raining down behind Michael, shattering glass which opens Jam -but which Michael shatters during the panther dance in the Black or White short film, in a blaze of electrical pyro fallout- is a continuation of that panther dance.
We also get the panther dance as a video interlude.
We get We Are The “World” as an interlude, as well as the shattering glass in the Black or White video interlude intro.
The ballet dance solo intro to Heal The World is centred entirely around the earths globe and again we see it passed from one hand to another. Perhaps in this instance Michael represents the child.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 27, 2024 17:35:25 GMT
Incoming highfalutin rambling. The earths globe is a central theme for Michael Jackson’s entire Dangerous era and without it he wouldn’t have made an album! In fact he wouldn’t have come out of his bedroom for a year! He was completely obsessed with the earths globe! Heal The World being the centrepiece. The Heal The World foundation being his primary motivation to tour. The globe with the hands of two children being it’s image. The tour was Michael’s attempt to fix the world each night he stepped on stage. Or was catapulted on stage. The Globe, an image throughout the concert and the album. On the album sleeve the globe is front and centre of Mark Ryden’s artwork. Then there’s the omitted Planet Earth poem written to segway into What About Us. I’m surprised he didn’t call it What About Earth at this point, or What About The Image Of The Globe I’m So Obsessed With! In the Jam short film a globe smashes through a window and is kicked by the foot of a child, and reappears at the end of the film and bounced away by that same child as a basketball. Susan Fast, in her Dangerous book asserts the idea that Michael Jordan’s basketball is, in fact, that globe (here’s what good things can be done with the world in the hands of a virtuoso). The sound of the glass breaking suggesting that something needs to be fixed. Planet Earth? So is this “thee central theme” for Dangerous? The globe? The Will You Be There music video which uses live footage of the performance sees a child pass the earths globe to an angle. There’s a possibly interesting assertion here; Michael only seems to trust the earths globe in the hands of children. The Heal The World live performance features the massive globe centre stage with children circling it. The Dangerous album is where MJ began to use disruptive sounds to begin albums/songs, ie: breaking glass, a car starting up/honking horn etc, and this continues through HIStory, Blood on The Dance Floor and Invincible. They seem to suggest that something needs to be fixed. All of the songs that begin like this, Morphine, Scream, seem to follow this theme where something is broken/disrupted and MJ is trying to fix something internal, or external. In the Black or White short film, again we get the shattered glass in the form of MJ’s framed poster falling to the floor and shattering. Susan Fast offers here that this is more a reference to MJ breaking free. I feel that also. We get two children sat atop the earths globe near the central point in the film before MJ walks through fire. During the Dangerous Tour Michael bursts through the stage to the sound of a panther. Susan Fast has offered the idea that this show opening; fireworks raining down behind Michael, shattering glass which opens Jam -but which Michael shatters during the panther dance in the Black or White short film, in a blaze of electrical pyro fallout- is a continuation of that panther dance. We also get the panther dance as a video interlude. We get We Are The “World” as an interlude, as well as the shattering glass in the Black or White video interlude intro. The ballet dance solo intro to Heal The World is centred entirely around the earths globe and again we see it passed from one hand to another. Perhaps in this instance Michael represents the child. Interesting and astute observations Aaron. Gotta be honest, I kinda went through a weird phase over the last few years of feeling a tad... disconnected?... from this album. I don't know why I felt that way, as I grew up loving it. But these last few months it's really opened up to me again. I've found a new appreciation of some of the songs I didn't pay too much attention to before, which has helped. Some of the material on Dangerous was so good, TOO good even - some of the best music of his entire career - that the less "epic" moments on the record just never got the attention they deserved from me. Dangerous is so much more than just the album with Who Is It and Will You Be There on, but I think I had reduced it to this on some level without consciously realising. It had honestly been years since I listened to it as a full album experience. Doing so the last few months reminded me of why I fell in love with MJ in the first place. It was the Bad/Dangerous albums that I first heard from MJ and I remember being a kid and marvelling, particularly with Dangerous, at how majestic and powerful and otherworldly it was. Somewhere along the way, I lost sight of that, and it's been a beautiful experience lately getting back in touch with it. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Apr 27, 2024 18:56:40 GMT
Incoming highfalutin rambling. The earths globe is a central theme for Michael Jackson’s entire Dangerous era and without it he wouldn’t have made an album! In fact he wouldn’t have come out of his bedroom for a year! He was completely obsessed with the earths globe! Heal The World being the centrepiece. The Heal The World foundation being his primary motivation to tour. The globe with the hands of two children being it’s image. The tour was Michael’s attempt to fix the world each night he stepped on stage. Or was catapulted on stage. The Globe, an image throughout the concert and the album. On the album sleeve the globe is front and centre of Mark Ryden’s artwork. Then there’s the omitted Planet Earth poem written to segway into What About Us. I’m surprised he didn’t call it What About Earth at this point, or What About The Image Of The Globe I’m So Obsessed With! In the Jam short film a globe smashes through a window and is kicked by the foot of a child, and reappears at the end of the film and bounced away by that same child as a basketball. Susan Fast, in her Dangerous book asserts the idea that Michael Jordan’s basketball is, in fact, that globe (here’s what good things can be done with the world in the hands of a virtuoso). The sound of the glass breaking suggesting that something needs to be fixed. Planet Earth? So is this “thee central theme” for Dangerous? The globe? The Will You Be There music video which uses live footage of the performance sees a child pass the earths globe to an angle. There’s a possibly interesting assertion here; Michael only seems to trust the earths globe in the hands of children. The Heal The World live performance features the massive globe centre stage with children circling it. The Dangerous album is where MJ began to use disruptive sounds to begin albums/songs, ie: breaking glass, a car starting up/honking horn etc, and this continues through HIStory, Blood on The Dance Floor and Invincible. They seem to suggest that something needs to be fixed. All of the songs that begin like this, Morphine, Scream, seem to follow this theme where something is broken/disrupted and MJ is trying to fix something internal, or external. In the Black or White short film, again we get the shattered glass in the form of MJ’s framed poster falling to the floor and shattering. Susan Fast offers here that this is more a reference to MJ breaking free. I feel that also. We get two children sat atop the earths globe near the central point in the film before MJ walks through fire. During the Dangerous Tour Michael bursts through the stage to the sound of a panther. Susan Fast has offered the idea that this show opening; fireworks raining down behind Michael, shattering glass which opens Jam -but which Michael shatters during the panther dance in the Black or White short film, in a blaze of electrical pyro fallout- is a continuation of that panther dance. We also get the panther dance as a video interlude. We get We Are The “World” as an interlude, as well as the shattering glass in the Black or White video interlude intro. The ballet dance solo intro to Heal The World is centred entirely around the earths globe and again we see it passed from one hand to another. Perhaps in this instance Michael represents the child. Interesting and astute observations Aaron. Gotta be honest, I kinda went through a weird phase over the last few years of feeling a tad... disconnected?... from this album. I don't know why I felt that way, as I grew up loving it. But these last few months it's really opened up to me again. I've found a new appreciation of some of the songs I didn't pay too much attention to before, which has helped. Some of the material on Dangerous was so good, TOO good even - some of the best music of his entire career - that the less "epic" moments on the record just never got the attention they deserved from me. Dangerous is so much more than just the album with Who Is It and Will You Be There on, but I think I had reduced it to this on some level without consciously realising. It had honestly been years since I listened to it as a full album experience. Doing so the last few months reminded me of why I fell in love with MJ in the first place. It was the Bad/Dangerous albums that I first heard from MJ and I remember being a kid and marvelling, particularly with Dangerous, at how majestic and powerful and otherworldly it was. Somewhere along the way, I lost sight of that, and it's been a beautiful experience lately getting back in touch with it. Thanks for indulging me. Dangerous is an incredible musical achievement really. Perhaps the shattering glass that opens it represents freedom from Quincy? I’ll stick with Susan Fast’s assertion that it represents something -society, the world- is broken and we must come together in unison in order to -jam- and fix it. Although I don’t strictly agree with her summation that it’s a concept album, it’s actually an interesting way to come at it. She breaks it down as follows; Noise Jam Why You Wanna Trip On Me DesireIn The Closet She Drives Me Wild Remember The Time Can’t Let Her Get Away UtopiaHeal The World Black Or White SoulWho Is It Give In To Me Keep The Faith CodaGone To Soon Dangerous I always felt it made more sense in its double album vinyl formate; Disc 1 Side 1Jam. Why You Wanna Trip On Me. In The Closet. Disc 1 Side 2
She Drives Me Wild. Remember The Time. Can’t Let Her Get Away. Heal The World. Disc 2 Side 1Black Or White. Who Is It. Give In To Me. Disc 2 Side 2Will You Be There. Keep The Faith. Gone Too Soon. Dangerous. I know Black Or White isn’t one of your personal favourites but the best thing about it in my opinion is the acoustic guitar. It adds this magnificent layer of warmth to the track. Have a listen again specifically for the acoustic guitar. I think you refer to it as Cartoon Rock. I think at its heart it’s simply classic pop. |
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Yaza
Wondering Who
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Post by Yaza on May 4, 2024 13:27:23 GMT
JAM (9.5/10)- The glass breaking at the start is the sound of the 80s finishing. His delivery is nothing short of excellent. The mysterious and dark lyrics he evokes so well in his distressed singing, there’s parts where you feel he’s almost about to explode, until he does in the chorus…JAM! Why You Wanna Trip on Me (10/10) - This and Jam are a staple in my exercise playlists, so funky and full of energy. In the Closet (5/10) - Some parts clash and it runs way too long at 6 minutes and 30 seconds! I do enjoy Michael’s sensual delivery though and the music video is fantastic. She Drives Me Wild (10/10) - My personal favourite from the album. Sorry in the closet fans, but this is Michael’s HOTTEST song. Remember The Time (8/10) - Such a fun song and the music video is just lovely. Can’t Let Her Get Away (7/10) - The two verses are so good, but I find the song is let down by an anticlimactic hook. Heal The World (6/10) - Too saccharine for me but the melody is great. It’s good for what it is. Black or White (8/10) - Great song with a great message, the guitar in this is fab. Who is It (10/10) - A masterpiece, so many intricate layers. Learning that Michael is the person singing the intro just blew my mind. Give in to Me (7/10) - Nice. Will You Be There (10/10) - Michael’s best “gospel” song. The Cleveland orchestra is simply amazing. Beautiful start to finish. Keep The Faith (9.5/10) - Gave the above competition in the gospel genre. This song is a tour de force and such an underrated gem. I love the break down at the end with the background singers. Gone too Soon (9/10) - Sad and yet so beautiful. Dangerous (7/10) - A great closer. Dangerous is perhaps my most played album ever, so much so that I had to take a break. After a self-imposed listening hiatus lasting many years, I decided to play it during my drive home yesterday start to finish. Upon listening with fresh ears and some further reflection, I would like to revise my previous ratings. Jam from a 9.5/10 to a 10/10 Remember The Time from a 8/10 to a 10/10 In the Closet from a 5/10 to 7/10 Black or White from a 8/10 to 10/10 Keep the Faith from a 9.5/10 to a 10/10 I re-realised yesterday that Dangerous is probably my personal favourite album ever  |
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Post by aazzaabb on May 4, 2024 13:35:03 GMT
JAM (9.5/10)- The glass breaking at the start is the sound of the 80s finishing. His delivery is nothing short of excellent. The mysterious and dark lyrics he evokes so well in his distressed singing, there’s parts where you feel he’s almost about to explode, until he does in the chorus…JAM! Why You Wanna Trip on Me (10/10) - This and Jam are a staple in my exercise playlists, so funky and full of energy. In the Closet (5/10) - Some parts clash and it runs way too long at 6 minutes and 30 seconds! I do enjoy Michael’s sensual delivery though and the music video is fantastic. She Drives Me Wild (10/10) - My personal favourite from the album. Sorry in the closet fans, but this is Michael’s HOTTEST song. Remember The Time (8/10) - Such a fun song and the music video is just lovely. Can’t Let Her Get Away (7/10) - The two verses are so good, but I find the song is let down by an anticlimactic hook. Heal The World (6/10) - Too saccharine for me but the melody is great. It’s good for what it is. Black or White (8/10) - Great song with a great message, the guitar in this is fab. Who is It (10/10) - A masterpiece, so many intricate layers. Learning that Michael is the person singing the intro just blew my mind. Give in to Me (7/10) - Nice. Will You Be There (10/10) - Michael’s best “gospel” song. The Cleveland orchestra is simply amazing. Beautiful start to finish. Keep The Faith (9.5/10) - Gave the above competition in the gospel genre. This song is a tour de force and such an underrated gem. I love the break down at the end with the background singers. Gone too Soon (9/10) - Sad and yet so beautiful. Dangerous (7/10) - A great closer. Dangerous is perhaps my most played album ever, so much so that I had to take a break. After a self-imposed listening hiatus lasting many years, I decided to play it during my drive home yesterday start to finish. Upon listening with fresh ears and some further reflection, I would like to revise my previous ratings. Jam from a 9.5/10 to a 10/10 Remember The Time from a 8/10 to a 10/10 In the Closet from a 5/10 to 7/10 Black or White from a 8/10 to 10/10 Keep the Faith from a 9.5/10 to a 10/10 I re-realised yesterday that Dangerous is probably my personal favourite album ever Think you can just waltz in here and change your scores?!! Well…..yes you can do that. Sounds like you have a longer drive than me! |
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Yaza
Wondering Who
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Post by Yaza on May 4, 2024 16:16:39 GMT
Dangerous is perhaps my most played album ever, so much so that I had to take a break. After a self-imposed listening hiatus lasting many years, I decided to play it during my drive home yesterday start to finish. Upon listening with fresh ears and some further reflection, I would like to revise my previous ratings. Jam from a 9.5/10 to a 10/10 Remember The Time from a 8/10 to a 10/10 In the Closet from a 5/10 to 7/10 Black or White from a 8/10 to 10/10 Keep the Faith from a 9.5/10 to a 10/10 I re-realised yesterday that Dangerous is probably my personal favourite album ever Think you can just waltz in here and change your scores?!! Well…..yes you can do that. Sounds like you have a longer drive than me! Ha! Final revisions A long drive indeed, a few detours plus traffic. Dangerous has kept me company on many long drives. |
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