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Post by dancingmjsdream on Jan 8, 2018 20:43:18 GMT
It did occur to me that some smart aleck would bring up Prince and call me out on my gender hypocrisy. I wish I had an intelligent reply as to why it irks me with Janet and why I think Prince can get away with it, but I don't. It just sounds trashy coming from Janet. I think its part of the whole package. With Prince, the explicit sexual lyrics were always there, and so you came to accept that as part of who he was. With Janet, she literally went from "Lets Wait A While" to "Throb" within the space of one album. That's fine, I'm all for Janet's sexual awakening etc. But when she starts naming songs "Moist", it just feels all a bit gross and tacky. Even Madonna never went that far, at least not in her music. Heehee. Nah you're right man. Prince was doing it from early on. I agree, from Janet's mouth it just smacks of trashiness and a little cheap. She definitely went too far with it, but having said that, I just find AFY a very decent catchy pop album, lyrical content and sexual innuendos aside. It's just very accessible and I find it very easy listening. My favourite from her is Janet followed by Rhythm Nation and Control. Don't get me wrong I really like 4 or 5 from TVR but sitting through the album as one conceptual piece bores me to tears, and after the Janet album I was done with the interludes. I just find her interludes a little cringy. I was delighted that Unbreakable was without interludes.ย ย Janet fans would kill you for not liking TVR lol. It's like the holy Janet album.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 8, 2018 20:55:32 GMT
Heehee. Nah you're right man. Prince was doing it from early on. I agree, from Janet's mouth it just smacks of trashiness and a little cheap. She definitely went too far with it, but having said that, I just find AFY a very decent catchy pop album, lyrical content and sexual innuendos aside. It's just very accessible and I find it very easy listening. My favourite from her is Janet followed by Rhythm Nation and Control. Don't get me wrong I really like 4 or 5 from TVR but sitting through the album as one conceptual piece bores me to tears, and after the Janet album I was done with the interludes. I just find her interludes a little cringy. I was delighted that Unbreakable was without interludes. Janet fans would kill you for not liking TVR lol. It's like the holy Janet album. Oh yes indeed. If I went on a Janet board I would be destroyed for it. In a lot of fans eyes It's probably the equivalent of choosing the Michael album over Dangerous. Although for me Janet is her Dangerous.
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Post by ChrisC on Jan 8, 2018 23:08:11 GMT
All For You really spelled the end of my Janet fandom.
The songs weren't as strong. The sex songs were vulgar. The intro/outros were pointless. She recorded songs with a cold? The cover was bad. She stopped singing live around this time too.
Although Invincible is a mess as well, there's nothing on Janet's set that competes with the highest peaks of Invincible.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 8, 2018 23:21:54 GMT
Lol. I love how you've all made the album cover an issue also. Lets be clear here; the Invincible cover is utter -insert four letter word here! Janet looks amazing on that sleeve, the font is perfect and she's stunning.
She stopped singing live?? That factors into AFY being a crap album??? Um...I'm gonna just gonna leave the HIStory tour over here ya'll.....
Seriously though, I jest. I'm standing by AFY even more now.๐
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Post by Snow White on Jan 9, 2018 1:27:37 GMT
Lol. I love how you've all made the album cover an issue also. Lets be clear here; the Invincible cover is utter -insert four letter word here! Janet looks amazing on that sleeve, the font is perfect and she's stunning. She stopped singing live?? That factors into AFY being a crap album??? Um...I'm gonna just gonna leave the HIStory tour over here ya'll..... Seriously though, I jest. I'm standing by AFY even more now.๐ Hold on your horses! Even in her prime as a performer Janet compensated her thin lacking voice with a lot of dancing on her tours as well as using backing tracks. Michael's live performances suffered after he had a surgery to remove nodules which was around the Dangerous era, he was told he could either sing in the studio or sing live, not both. There's no comparison since Michael was the best singer from the family even with all his health issues as he got older.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 9, 2018 2:56:08 GMT
Lol. I love how you've all made the album cover an issue also. Lets be clear here; the Invincible cover is utter -insert four letter word here! Janet looks amazing on that sleeve, the font is perfect and she's stunning. She stopped singing live?? That factors into AFY being a crap album??? Um...I'm gonna just gonna leave the HIStory tour over here ya'll..... Seriously though, I jest. I'm standing by AFY even more now.๐ Hold on your horses! Even in her prime as a performer Janet compensated her thin lacking voice with a lot of dancing on her tours as well as using backing tracks. Michael's live performances suffered after he had a surgery to remove nodules which was around the Dangerous era, he was told he could either sing in the studio or sing live, not both. There's no comparison since Michael was the best singer from the family even with all his health issues as he got older. You're missing my point completely. What does lip syncing on tour have to do with how good an album is? I'm not comparing them against eachother as an argument as to which is the better singer. Clearly Michael is the better singer. The HIStory tour is my answer to a moot point that ChrisC mentioned. By the way, I'm saying Invincible is the better album, but in relation to Janet albums I prefer AFY over TVR. Regarding the album cover; MattyJam says Invincible cover on the inside reminds him of Bad -his least favourite MJ album- and that Janet's is tacky. That makes me laugh slightly as for me the Invincible album sleeve is the definition of tacky. Also, I did say "I jest" so I'm not being altogether serious.
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Post by ChrisC on Jan 10, 2018 16:26:02 GMT
Hold on your horses! Even in her prime as a performer Janet compensated her thin lacking voice with a lot of dancing on her tours as well as using backing tracks. Michael's live performances suffered after he had a surgery to remove nodules which was around the Dangerous era, he was told he could either sing in the studio or sing live, not both. There's no comparison since Michael was the best singer from the family even with all his health issues as he got older. You're missing my point completely. What does lip syncing on tour have to do with how good an album is? I'm not comparing them against eachother as an argument as to which is the better singer. Clearly Michael is the better singer. The HIStory tour is my answer to a moot point that ChrisC mentioned. By the way, I'm saying Invincible is the better album, but in relation to Janet albums I prefer AFY over TVR. Regarding the album cover; MattyJam says Invincible cover on the inside reminds him of Bad -his least favourite MJ album- and that Janet's is tacky. That makes me laugh slightly as for me the Invincible album sleeve is the definition of tacky. Also, I did say "I jest" so I'm not being altogether serious. I was listing reasons as to why my fandom ended around the time of the album. Clearly her decision to stop singing live doesn't directly reflect the quality of her recorded works, but then I did put that word "too" in. Believe me, I have many issues with Michael's lip-synching too. I appreciate my post may have been confusing.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 10, 2018 17:56:35 GMT
You're missing my point completely. What does lip syncing on tour have to do with how good an album is? I'm not comparing them against eachother as an argument as to which is the better singer. Clearly Michael is the better singer. The HIStory tour is my answer to a moot point that ChrisC mentioned. By the way, I'm saying Invincible is the better album, but in relation to Janet albums I prefer AFY over TVR. Regarding the album cover; MattyJam says Invincible cover on the inside reminds him of Bad -his least favourite MJ album- and that Janet's is tacky. That makes me laugh slightly as for me the Invincible album sleeve is the definition of tacky. Also, I did say "I jest" so I'm not being altogether serious. I was listing reasons as to why my fandom ended around the time of the album. Clearly her decision to stop singing live doesn't directly reflect the quality of her recorded works, but then I did put that word "too" in. Believe me, I have many issues with Michael's lip-synching too. I appreciate my post may have been confusing. Nah, t'was cool Chris. I was just trying to start a bit of banter. I can't offer any real reason that I prefer AFY over TVR other than I prefer the way it sounds. I was never a massive Janet mega fan though.
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 10, 2018 20:25:45 GMT
Hold on your horses! Even in her prime as a performer Janet compensated her thin lacking voice with a lot of dancing on her tours as well as using backing tracks. Michael's live performances suffered after he had a surgery to remove nodules which was around the Dangerous era, he was told he could either sing in the studio or sing live, not both. There's no comparison since Michael was the best singer from the family even with all his health issues as he got older. You're missing my point completely. What does lip syncing on tour have to do with how good an album is? I'm not comparing them against eachother as an argument as to which is the better singer. Clearly Michael is the better singer. The HIStory tour is my answer to a moot point that ChrisC mentioned. By the way, I'm saying Invincible is the better album, but in relation to Janet albums I prefer AFY over TVR. Regarding the album cover; MattyJam says Invincible cover on the inside reminds him of Bad -his least favourite MJ album- and that Janet's is tacky. That makes me laugh slightly as for me the Invincible album sleeve is the definition of tacky. Also, I did say "I jest" so I'm not being altogether serious. I guess taste is subjective. I find the cover for AFY tacky on many levels. Her hair looks like a horse main, the cheesy grin and pose is like a spread from Good Housekeeping and the font for her name is like the font you would use for a greasy spoon cafรฉ sign. After brilliant, imaginative and creative covers for RN1814, janet and TVR, the AFY cover was the first indicator that Janet was now running out of fresh inspiration. I don't see what is tacky about the Invincible artwork or cover at all. I'm not a huge fan of the cover, it's okay, I see what they were going for, understated and classy, but it's a little too computer generated and doesn't really look like MJ. But noway is it tacky. And the centrefold dancing MJ montage is really cool. I especially love the outfits he's wearing and he looks very dapper and cool. I also like the little Uri Gellar drawing inside the booklet.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 10, 2018 21:28:23 GMT
You're missing my point completely. What does lip syncing on tour have to do with how good an album is? I'm not comparing them against eachother as an argument as to which is the better singer. Clearly Michael is the better singer. The HIStory tour is my answer to a moot point that ChrisC mentioned. By the way, I'm saying Invincible is the better album, but in relation to Janet albums I prefer AFY over TVR. Regarding the album cover; MattyJam says Invincible cover on the inside reminds him of Bad -his least favourite MJ album- and that Janet's is tacky. That makes me laugh slightly as for me the Invincible album sleeve is the definition of tacky. Also, I did say "I jest" so I'm not being altogether serious. I guess taste is subjective. I find the cover for AFY tacky on many levels. Her hair looks like a horse main, the cheesy grin and pose is like a spread from Good Housekeeping and the font for her name is like the font you would use for a greasy spoon cafรฉ sign. After brilliant, imaginative and creative covers for RN1814, janet and TVR, the AFY cover was the first indicator that Janet was now running out of fresh inspiration. I don't see what is tacky about the Invincible artwork or cover at all. I'm not a huge fan of the cover, it's okay, I see what they were going for, understated and classy, but it's a little too computer generated and doesn't really look like MJ. But noway is it tacky. And the centrefold dancing MJ montage is really cool. I especially love the outfits he's wearing and he looks very dapper and cool. I also like the little Uri Gellar drawing inside the booklet. Truth be told I don't mind the Invincible sleeve at all but it doesn't say iconic to me, and I'm really not sure that it says invincible. But perhaps I was being a bit of a bitch! The Uri Geller drawing really intrigued me when I bought it and I like the shots of MJ -as you say; very reminiscent of Bad. I like the AFY sleeve also. I don't know, I just think she looks great. I'm a big fan of the Design of a Decade sleeve too. Prehaps there's no concept there but MJ's Bad album was a bit of a last minute thing as the label wouldn't allow him the pic in my avatar. The Bad sleeve is iconic though. I can't believe I'm going to say this but I'm going to give TVR ANOTHER go!! I don't know how many times I've done this for that album and others but I just want to "get it" the way everybody who always bangs on about it do. I just hope I can make it trough from beginning to end. I don't know, who can say anyway whats good and what isn't? It's all personal taste. I do sort of agree with TonyR about most artist's having a shelf life. Whoever's hot now, Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, whoever. Their popularity will eventually begin to dwindle and whatever album they release just at the point of where their career dips, everyone will jump on the bandwagon with the "it's not as good as his/her earlier material" and a backlash kicks in and suddenly their out of fashion.
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 11, 2018 10:34:29 GMT
I can't believe I'm going to say this but I'm going to give TVR ANOTHER go!! I don't know how many times I've done this for that album and others but I just want to "get it" the way everybody who always bangs on about it do. I just hope I can make it trough from beginning to end. Go for it. I know the frustration, when everybody else is hyping up a song/album and it doesn't quite grab you like it does everyone else. I call in Stranger In Moscow syndrome.
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Post by ChrisC on Jan 11, 2018 18:21:15 GMT
Yeah, it is simply horrifying that you think AFY is a better album than TVR.
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 12, 2018 11:35:11 GMT
Michael's live performances suffered after he had a surgery to remove nodules which was around the Dangerous era, he was told he could either sing in the studio or sing live, not both. Dude should've just recorded new vocals to lipsync to, or lipsync to demo vocals or something. Hell even record a one-off show during rehearsals to lipsync too. Would've made it much better than hearing the album vocals for the 1000th time.
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Post by ChrisC on Jan 12, 2018 16:34:20 GMT
Michael's live performances suffered after he had a surgery to remove nodules which was around the Dangerous era, he was told he could either sing in the studio or sing live, not both. Dude should've just recorded new vocals to lipsync to, or lipsync to demo vocals or something. Hell even record a one-off show during rehearsals to lipsync too. Would've made it much better than hearing the album vocals for the 1000th time. I actually find it disgusting that Janet went to that trouble to hide the fact she wasn't singing live. The level of deception is just embarassing.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 12, 2018 17:43:10 GMT
Dude should've just recorded new vocals to lipsync to, or lipsync to demo vocals or something. Hell even record a one-off show during rehearsals to lipsync too. Would've made it much better than hearing the album vocals for the 1000th time. I actually find it disgusting that Janet went to that trouble to hide the fact she wasn't singing live. The level of deception is just embarassing. You seem to be very easily offended. You didn't find anything offensive about the fact that MJ assumed his fans were so stupid he didn't even bother to record new vocals? I mean he was 21 when he recorded Off The Wall! It's an insult to play the fucking cd and pretend his vocals are brand new. No, Janet did absolutely the right thing.
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