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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Oct 31, 2021 23:11:14 GMT
"Thriller" the song reached the Top 40 of the world's most listened to songs on Spotify this Halloween Sunday.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 1, 2021 5:05:50 GMT
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Nov 1, 2021 20:46:55 GMT
Michael surpassed the 30 million monthly listeners mark making him the 21st most heard artist in the world and the most heard artist of the pre-2000 era!
The 25-year-old version of Thriller adds up to about 2.5 billion listeners and is followed by Bad with 1.6 billion and Off The Wall with 745 million. Among the songs the classic Billie Jean already has 981 million streams.
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 1, 2021 21:39:55 GMT
Michael surpassed the 30 million monthly listeners mark making him the 21st most heard artist in the world and the most heard artist of the pre-2000 era! Nearly! He’s up there, but not the most heard artist from the pre-2000 era. Eminem (48.7 million), Elton John (48.2 million), Queen (36.4 million) and Shakira (33.8 million) all have more monthly listeners. |
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Post by respect77 on Nov 2, 2021 3:32:31 GMT
Michael surpassed the 30 million monthly listeners mark making him the 21st most heard artist in the world and the most heard artist of the pre-2000 era! Nearly! He’s up there, but not the most heard artist from the pre-2000 era. Eminem (48.7 million), Elton John (48.2 million), Queen (36.4 million) and Shakira (33.8 million) all have more monthly listeners. I know the claim was about pre-2000s artists, but I'd rather like to compare MJ to other legacy artists, because that's his category. I don't compare them to artists who are still currently active, releasing new albums from time to time, because that's unfair. Currently active artists have an advantage when it comes to streaming. Out of the above mentioned ones Eminem is still active, releasing new albums. So to me he's not a legacy artists he's a current artist. Elton John and Shakira too. Out of these artists I would only really call Queen a legacy artist. The rest are still active, releasing new albums from time to time (and by new I mean new material not just re-releases of old material.) So I don't think the comparison is quite fair. And I haven't even got into the difference in how the media treats MJ compared to these artist. Queen got Bohemian Rhapsody, Elton John got Rocketman and massive hype and adoration, MJ got Leaving Neverland and a global slandering camping... BTW, Spotify isn't the only streaming platform. On YouTube Queen slipped out of the Top 100 (Elton John has never been there). MJ is still there, ever since they started the chart. Without any Bohemian Rhapsody or Rocketman (but with the burden of LN). charts.youtube.com/charts/TopArtists/global |
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 2, 2021 4:40:51 GMT
I know the claim was about pre-2000s artists. I'm not sure if that was meant to say artist who started their career before 2000 or who finished their career before 2000. I'd rather like to compare MJ to other legacy artists, because that's his category. I don't compare them to artists who are still currently active, releasing new albums from time to time, because that's unfair. Currently active artists have an advantage when it comes to streaming. Out of the above mentioned ones Eminem is still active, releasing new albums. So to me he's not a legacy artists he's a current artist. Elton John and Shakira too. Out of these artists I would only really call Queen a legacy artist. The rest are still active, releasing new albums from time to time (and by new I mean new material not just re-releases of old material.) So I don't think the comparison is quite fair. And I haven't even got into the difference in how the media treats MJ compared to these artist. Queen got Bohemian Rhapsody, Elton John got Rocketman and massive hype and adoration, MJ got Leaving Neverland and a global slandering camping... BTW, on YouTube Queen slipped out of the Top 100 (Elton John has never been there). MJ is still there, ever since they started the chart. Without any Bohemian Rhapsody or Rocketman (but with the burden of LN). charts.youtube.com/charts/TopArtists/globalWell Pre-2000s artist means any artist who put out music before 2000, all of who I listed did. On that ground, it is a fair comparison. If it is an artist who finished their career before 2000, then even Michael is disqualified. No mention of 'legacy artist', but if you want to go for that definition then sure, take Eminem and Shakira out given they didn't start until the mid-late 90s. That still leaves Elton John and Queen, who I both define as 'legacy artists'. Legacy to me basically means they've had a long career, and/or their heyday is well past them (even if they're active or still successful one way or another). Ultimately at the end of the day, they still have more monthly listeners on Spotify and are pre-2000, which fits the criteria of her claim. That doesn't deny that Michael Jackson has the underhand, and that while he may not be streamed as much as them on Spotify, the fact he went through so much and still has these phenomenal numbers to show is exceptionally impressive (funnily enough, I was arguing just that point to someone else earlier today). Personally, even if he is behind these artists ATM in terms of monthly listeners, I don't think that's bad in the slightest. It's a great position to be in. And he might have more Spotify song streams than some of them (different from monthly listeners), or like you said, YouTube streams. I still think it's great nonetheless. |
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Post by respect77 on Nov 2, 2021 7:42:46 GMT
I just think it a massive advantage on streaming when an artist is still alive, still releasing new albums, still giving interviews, still touring, appears on talk shows, promoting themselves etc. So that's where I personally draw the category line, whether we call it "legacy artist" or something else. And while Elton and Queen fall in the category of how you define legacy artist (long career, past their prime - my definition is rather someone who is not active any more), of course, the movie boost given to both of them is very significant. IIRC Elton John was well behind MJ on Spotify before Rocketman came out. That's how much these movies mean (not the LN type of movies, of course, that's MJ is treated with).
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 2, 2021 8:45:04 GMT
I just think it a massive advantage on streaming when an artist is still alive, still releasing new albums, still giving interviews, still touring, appears on talk shows, promoting themselves etc. So that's where I personally draw the category line, whether we call it "legacy artist" or something else. I think those interviews and tours can boost a legacy artists numbers, but only so much since they're no longer at their peak. Otherwise we'd see huge boosts during the time of those promotions with other legacy artists too. I've found that whenever a legacy artist puts out a new album, they'll usually do well for the first couple weeks, but then they usually fizzle out because they're just that - legacy artists. Elton John's last few albums (minus his week-old 'Lockdown Sessions') have all done just that, despite him promoting them, giving interviews, going on tour etc. They did good in the charts sure, but they didn't stay that long and they certainly weren't doing Goodbye Yellow Brick Road numbers. It happens to every artist.
Now he's currently doing extremely well thanks to his very successful duet with Dua Lipa, and that's what's giving his numbers a huge boost. But 8 of his top 10 songs on Spotify are still essential classics from decades ago. The fact his new album 'Lockdown Sessions' is a collaboration album with modern artists is going to keep it going for longer than if it were 'just' an Elton John album, more than any interviews/promotions he can do. It's a classic trick, even MJ was trying to do it in the 2000s with Akon, Fergie, will.i.am and what not. Funnily enough, still a trick MJ can do posthumously and it's what helped generate his biggest new single since 2001. Hell, what probably will happen again soon if the rumours of The Weeknd are true. And while Elton and Queen fall in the category of how you define legacy artist (long career, past their prime - my definition is rather someone who is not active any more), of course, the movie boost given to both of them is very significant. IIRC Elton John was well behind MJ on Spotify before Rocketman came out. That's how much these movies mean (not the LN type of movies, of course, that's MJ is treated with). Yeah I don't think anyone can deny Bohemian Rhapsody's influence on the modern day Queen legacy, it absolutely helped carry on the torch to younger generations and has played a big part in their success. I'm not too sure the film is still carrying as much weight as it was before (given it is a few years old now), but I definitely think it was the spark that lit the flame so-to-speak. I think it's their legacy, popularity and, of course, the music that is helping carry the numbers now.
When it comes to Rocketman, I think it definitely gave a boost to Elton's numbers at the time but nowhere near to the effect of Bohemian Rhapsody since not as many people saw it. BR grossed an insane $904 million whereas Rocketman only $200 million. Which is fine, but not a crazy amount in 2019 so I don't think I'd blame his current numbers on that so much as I would for Queen and BR. I remember checking out Elton's Spotify a short while ago before his Dua Lipa duet - he was only a few million monthly listeners more than MJ (so very late 20s?). He'll likely coast back down there once people move on from his Dua Lipa duet.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 2, 2021 9:54:31 GMT
I didn't know Elton was doing all these duets with current artists. Then that's definitely a big factor. But it's a part of what I mean of an artist being currently active, doing current projects. Which is always going to be an advantage on streaming platforms. Even with MJ we have seen that awful Drake song feature in his Top 10 on Spotify for a long time (thankfully it's out now), just because it got the "current artist" boost through Drake. And that's my point: that current artist have a huge advantage on streaming platforms and yes, if a legacy artist attaches himself to popular current acts via duets then of course that gives their streaming numbers a big boost too. And of course, a real duet, like in Elton's case, is better in that regard than just a posthumous use of a sample like with MJ and Drake.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 6:16:04 GMT
Number Ones is #31 in Ireland 2 weeks in a row. Pretty high for it.
Still pisses me the whole way off that it's most likely that the US edition is what is driving its chart position (as that's on Spotify) and people are missing out on Blood on the Dance Floor.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 8, 2021 16:35:08 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Nov 9, 2021 5:19:27 GMT
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Post by TonyR on Nov 9, 2021 22:16:30 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Nov 10, 2021 3:18:35 GMT
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Nov 10, 2021 20:58:43 GMT
The Way You Make Me Feel hits 400 million views on YouTube
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