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Post by Russg on Apr 21, 2018 9:09:01 GMT
I know this has the potential to be a bit of a controversial thread, but I wanted to put it out there.
Many people felt that the timing of their union was more than a little convenient, even Priscilla herself implied that she thought MJ married her daughter as a form of damage control after 1993.
I've never actually doubted their relationship. It is obvious that they had a physical relationship and that the marriage wasn't just for show. But do you think MJs rather hasty decision to marry was a strategic move on his part to try and repair some of the damage done by the allegations the year before? You certainly can't blame someone for thinking that.
Personally, I think there may have been more to it than that. I think he realised that becoming a surrogate father figure (as he did with Jordy and Lily Chandler) was landing him in hot water and that he wanted to father his own children, enter: Lisa Marie.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 21, 2018 9:23:39 GMT
Can't say I did.
Besides, their relationship dates back to before the allegations. Whilst it's not known the exact point at which they began dating, according to this Wikipedia page, MJ had expressed an interest in LMP when she was still married in 1992 (MJ, you dirty dog!):
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Post by SoCav on Apr 21, 2018 10:00:41 GMT
You and me, we could get into a lot of trouble. Think about that, girl.
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Post by milo on Apr 21, 2018 10:23:02 GMT
Yes, if you didn't know the timeline of their relationship and Michaelโs desire of getting married prior to 1993.
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Post by respect77 on Apr 21, 2018 10:29:58 GMT
When you listen to the Glenda tapes that were made around 1991-92, MJ already seemed to have an urgency to find a woman and get married. I think even without the allegations he would have soon married around that time. And like others said, his relationship with Lisa goes back before the allegations - although not clear what was its nature before (considering also that Lisa was married), but I can imagine it would have headed in that direction regardless of the allegations. To me their relationship makes sense (even though it also makes sense why it didn't work, LOL).
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Post by HIStoric on Apr 21, 2018 10:56:19 GMT
When you listen to the Glenda tapes that were made around 1991-92, MJ already seemed to have an urgency to find a woman and get married. I think even without the allegations he would have soon married around that time. And alongside this, I think finding a woman he had a lot in common with plus found very attractive would've pushed him to get on knee faster than most people would. That and his strong desire to have children of his own (which I believe was one reason that led to the failure of their relationship in the end). So no I don't find the timing suspect. I imagine it did go through their minds at one point, but it wasn't a primary motivation. It's not like marrying someone will completely remove all public discussion about something as serious as child molestation anyway.
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Post by Russg on Apr 21, 2018 11:19:12 GMT
Can't say I did. Besides, their relationship dates back to before the allegations. Whilst it's not known the exact point at which they began dating, according to this Wikipedia page, MJ had expressed an interest in LMP when she was still married in 1992 (MJ, you dirty dog!): I'm not saying he only entered into a relationship with LMP to save face, but I'm just wondering if his decision to marry her was, at least in part, motivated by a desire to project a more "normal" healthy relationship to the general public, after his image had been torn to shreds.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Apr 21, 2018 11:29:59 GMT
I don't think MJ married her because he loved her. Seeing as she barely saw him at all in the time they were married. He clearly wasn't into her the way she was him. It was mainly a kids thing imo.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 21, 2018 13:24:13 GMT
Can't say I did. Besides, their relationship dates back to before the allegations. Whilst it's not known the exact point at which they began dating, according to this Wikipedia page, MJ had expressed an interest in LMP when she was still married in 1992 (MJ, you dirty dog!): I'm not saying he only entered into a relationship with LMP to save face, but I'm just wondering if his decision to marry her was, at least in part, motivated by a desire to project a more "normal" healthy relationship to the general public, after his image had been torn to shreds. I don't think it's possible to know the reasons as to why MJ wanted to marry LMP. Only he knew how he really felt about her, so what's the point in speculating? I don't think MJ cared enough about public opinion to marry somebody to "save face" or as some kind of misguided PR stunt. Look at MJ's behaviour post-1993 - can you honestly say he strikes you as the kind of celebrity who is chasing public approval? MJ had a "take me or leave me" attitude after 93, and wasn't going to change for anybody - even to the point where it was to his own detriment. Sometimes, as a fan, you almost wished he did care more about what people thought, and would tone certain things down a bit, just for the sake of an easy life. But he never did and ultimately, that showed massive strength of character on his part, and is one of the things I admire most about him. So the idea that he married LMP just to project a certain image to his detractors seems a rather ludicrous one, to me.
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Post by respect77 on Apr 21, 2018 16:16:23 GMT
I don't think MJ married her because he loved her. Seeing as she barely saw him at all in the time they were married. He clearly wasn't into her the way she was him. It was mainly a kids thing imo. How do you know she barely saw him?
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Post by TonyR on Apr 21, 2018 16:26:02 GMT
I'm not saying he only entered into a relationship with LMP to save face, but I'm just wondering if his decision to marry her was, at least in part, motivated by a desire to project a more "normal" healthy relationship to the general public, after his image had been torn to shreds. I don't think it's possible to know the reasons as to why MJ wanted to marry LMP. Only he knew how he really felt about her, so what's the point in speculating? I don't think MJ cared enough about public opinion to marry somebody to "save face" or as some kind of misguided PR stunt. Look at MJ's behaviour post-1993 - can you honestly say he strikes you as the kind of celebrity who is chasing public approval? MJ had a "take me or leave me" attitude after 93, and wasn't going to change for anybody - even to the point where it was to his own detriment. Sometimes, as a fan, you almost wished he did care more about what people thought, and would tone certain things down a bit, just for the sake of an easy life. But he never did and ultimately, that showed massive strength of character on his part, and is one of the things I admire most about him. So the idea that he married LMP just to project a certain image to his detractors seems a rather ludicrous one, to me. Iโve always thought it was, well not quite a stunt, but convenient at least. But your post makes me think a bit differently. However the VMAs kiss, has stunt written all over it.
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Post by HIStoric on Apr 21, 2018 16:31:32 GMT
However the VMAs kiss, has stunt written all over it. I think I read somewhere that Lisa-Marie warned him before-hand not to attempt such a move on stage...?
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Apr 21, 2018 16:40:33 GMT
I don't think MJ married her because he loved her. Seeing as she barely saw him at all in the time they were married. He clearly wasn't into her the way she was him. It was mainly a kids thing imo. How do you know she barely saw him? It's been pretty well documented at this point.
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Post by respect77 on Apr 21, 2018 16:41:47 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Apr 21, 2018 16:42:04 GMT
How do you know she barely saw him? It's been pretty well documented at this point. Documented by who?
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