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Post by HIStoric on Apr 21, 2018 16:43:35 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Post by respect77 on Apr 21, 2018 17:23:12 GMT
What a lot of people forget is that their relationship didn't actually end when they divorced. They kept meeting and being together on and off for four years according to LMP, after they have divorced. If it had been just some marriage of convenience they wouldn't have found it so difficult to end their relationship once they were divorced.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 22:35:28 GMT
Yes I do, it was a PR move and also like you all say, because he wanted a family ofhis own. He did not love her, but they were friends and good friends at that. They needed to take more time to know each other as Lisa felt Michael spent too much time away from her and hanging out with his young friends (Frank Cascio mentions it in his book a bit), and even other women that Michael may have been into (If you belive anything that Tatiana or Shantal says) and it was strictly to make the JC stuff a sad memory.
People knew Michael as the married family man would repair his image at least to the level of Rod Stewart rather than the train wreck he was perceived as.
But it takes two to Tango, Lisa said yes and must have known what she was signing up for.
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Post by respect77 on Apr 22, 2018 7:23:45 GMT
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Post by mjjfan810 on Apr 22, 2018 14:43:50 GMT
^^ Didn't they spend the entire week of their honeymoon at Trump Tower? I remember hearing about how they never left their apartment all week. Doesn't sound like the kind of thing someone who only married for the PR would do.
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Post by respect77 on Apr 22, 2018 16:32:32 GMT
^^ Didn't they spend the entire week of their honeymoon at Trump Tower? I remember hearing about how they never left their apartment all week. Doesn't sound like the kind of thing someone who only married for the PR would do. I don't know for how long they have been at the Trump Tower. Maybe months before news of their marriage came out. They got married in May and news of it only leaked in August. I don't know if they had been at the Trump Tower for that entire time, or they have spent time elsewhere as well.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 22, 2018 16:46:11 GMT
I gotta say, I'm surprised by how many fans think that his marriage to LMP was a sham.
I'm not one of those fans who believes every party line MJ spun - I don't believe he married Debbie Rowe for any other reason than so she would give him children. But I've always felt like MJ and LMP were the real deal. They just seemed genuinely into eachother. MJ wanting to show her off is not necessarily a sign of him using her for PR, he was just in love, and most new couples in love like to show it off and make everyone else nauseous at the sight of their budding romance (I cringe when I think of the things me and the wife used to do in public when we first hooked up).
I also don't think LMP would've been gullible enough to go along with a sham marriage. If she barely saw him and felt like he was just using her, I don't think she would've agreed to the wedding in the first place. She doesn't strike me as a walkover.
The fact that LMP stands by their relationship to this day speaks volumes about its sincerity and nature, imo. The fact that they were consistently spotted together years after their divorce - right up until 1999 - also indicates that they had a genuine relationship. The fact that they were actually married for several months before the news even broke of their union also goes against the notion of MJ having married her for the good publicity. If that were his motive, wouldn't he have announced it straight away?
I think it's kind of sad that even legit MJ fans can't wrap their heads around MJ doing something "normal" like having a wife. It just feeds into the media narrative of MJ being some weird freak, who couldn't do normal things.
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Post by TonyR on Apr 22, 2018 17:43:34 GMT
I gotta say, I'm surprised by how many fans think that his marriage to LMP was a sham. I'm not one of those fans who believes every party line MJ spun - I don't believe he married Debbie Rowe for any other reason than so she would give him children. But I've always felt like MJ and LMP were the real deal. They just seemed genuinely into eachother. MJ wanting to show her off is not necessarily a sign of him using her for PR, he was just in love, and most new couples in love like to show it off and make everyone else nauseous at the sight of their budding romance (I cringe when I think of the things me and the wife used to do in public when we first hooked up). I also don't think LMP would've been gullible enough to go along with a sham marriage. If she barely saw him and felt like he was just using her, I don't think she would've agreed to the wedding in the first place. She doesn't strike me as a walkover. The fact that LMP stands by their relationship to this day speaks volumes about its sincerity and nature, imo. The fact that they were consistently spotted together years after their divorce - right up until 1999 - also indicates that they had a genuine relationship. The fact that they were actually married for several months before the news even broke of their union also goes against the notion of MJ having married her for the good publicity. If that were his motive, wouldn't he have announced it straight away? I think it's kind of sad that even legit MJ fans can't wrap their heads around MJ doing something "normal" like having a wife. It just feeds into the media narrative of MJ being some weird freak, who couldn't do normal things. But in all fairness, the timing of it was very convenient. It reminds me of my favourite Simpsons episode ‘A Fish Called Selma” where Troy McLure marries Selma to stop rumours about him ‘sleeping with the fishes’. Im glad it seems that they were a proper couple though and he had some happiness at that point in his life. Hard to believe looking back that he was only in his late 30s then.
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Post by milo on Apr 23, 2018 3:23:46 GMT
^^ Didn't they spend the entire week of their honeymoon at Trump Tower? I remember hearing about how they never left their apartment all week. Doesn't sound like the kind of thing someone who only married for the PR would do. In 2016, Trump said this in an interview to CNN: Trump, 69, said about Jackson and Lisa-Marie’s 1994 honeymoon at the Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida: “I knew Michael Jackson very well. He lived in Trump Tower for a long period of time and would go down to Mar-a-Lago. “He actually got married – you know, to Lisa Marie Presley – and had a big deal at Mar-a-Lago. “He was up there one week with her, and he never came down, so I don’t know what was going on, but they got along. “People say they didn’t get along but let me tell you they were there for a week and didn’t come down at all.”
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Post by ghost on Apr 23, 2018 4:03:15 GMT
I gotta say, I'm surprised by how many fans think that his marriage to LMP was a sham. I'm not one of those fans who believes every party line MJ spun - I don't believe he married Debbie Rowe for any other reason than so she would give him children. But I've always felt like MJ and LMP were the real deal. They just seemed genuinely into eachother. MJ wanting to show her off is not necessarily a sign of him using her for PR, he was just in love, and most new couples in love like to show it off and make everyone else nauseous at the sight of their budding romance (I cringe when I think of the things me and the wife used to do in public when we first hooked up). I also don't think LMP would've been gullible enough to go along with a sham marriage. If she barely saw him and felt like he was just using her, I don't think she would've agreed to the wedding in the first place. She doesn't strike me as a walkover. The fact that LMP stands by their relationship to this day speaks volumes about its sincerity and nature, imo. The fact that they were consistently spotted together years after their divorce - right up until 1999 - also indicates that they had a genuine relationship. The fact that they were actually married for several months before the news even broke of their union also goes against the notion of MJ having married her for the good publicity. If that were his motive, wouldn't he have announced it straight away? I think it's kind of sad that even legit MJ fans can't wrap their heads around MJ doing something "normal" like having a wife. It just feeds into the media narrative of MJ being some weird freak, who couldn't do normal things. But in all fairness, the timing of it was very convenient. It reminds me of my favourite Simpsons episode ‘A Fish Called Selma” where Troy McLure marries Selma to stop rumours about him ‘sleeping with the fishes’. Im glad it seems that they were a proper couple though and he had some happiness at that point in his life. Hard to believe looking back that he was only in his late 30s then. What's the insinuation when you refer to the timing as "convenient"? Are you implying that MJ felt he had to marry a woman to try to convince people he wasn't into kids? I'm sorry, but I find that quite offensive. Faking a marriage to a woman after having been accused of child molestation would be a very calculating thing to do and certainly doesn't sound like the actions of a man who has nothing to hide. "Oh no, I've been caught out. Quick! Lets marry a woman - that'll make everyone forget!". If even his fans believe MJ was like this, then what hope do we have for the general public?
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Post by respect77 on Apr 23, 2018 5:16:09 GMT
He says this on the Glenda tapes. This one is from June 1992.
I don't know who is Melissa and what other woman he is talking about who had his nose wide open, LOL, but the point I am trying to make by posting this is that even before the allegations he seemed to be at a point in his life where he wanted to get married and was looking for someone to marry. That's why I said earlier that I think even without the allegations he would have married soon around the time. He seemed to be in that phase of his life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:26:23 GMT
Just for once, could we start an opinion on a thorny or controversial issue like this and when people starting giving answers contrary to what the OP and their allies were expecting, that they do not turn on us and start questioning our loyalty.
This is a Michael Jackson fan site for grown ass adults, who love MJ but have adult minds, values and opinions outside of childish and blind fan worship.
Here it is LWP, somewhere else it may be the album Invincible, his self indulgence, the failure of certain songs/albums or some other part of his personal life. An open ended question is asked, inviting discussion and when the truth come sout shit starts going crazy.
I don't care what no one says, both of his marriages were jokes and for the publicity/children. Michael was married to his art, the perfect musician and dancer he was married to that and no woman would get in the way of his career. God gave Michael the job of dance and song with passion, not to have wives and children.
Michael was all this and that, but he was also a human being too, a human being with follies and faults along with the rest of us. To err is human, to acknowledge is Godlike. Michael had that gift of humility. I liked the guy and his music, but I am not a 12 year old with rose tinted glasses who will blow smoke up his ass whenever someone expects me too.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 23, 2018 11:46:42 GMT
Just for once, could we start an opinion on a thorny or controversial issue like this and when people starting giving answers contrary to what the OP and their allies were expecting, that they do not turn on us and start questioning our loyalty. This is a Michael Jackson fan site for grown ass adults, who love MJ but have adult minds, values and opinions outside of childish and blind fan worship. Here it is LWP, somewhere else it may be the album Invincible, his self indulgence, the failure of certain songs/albums or some other part of his personal life. An open ended question is asked, inviting discussion and when the truth come sout shit starts going crazy. I don't care what no one says, both of his marriages were jokes and for the publicity/children. Michael was married to his art, the perfect musician and dancer he was married to that and no woman would get in the way of his career. God gave Michael the job of dance and song with passion, not to have wives and children. Michael was all this and that, but he was also a human being too, a human being with follies and faults along with the rest of us. To err is human, to acknowledge is Godlike. Michael had that gift of humility. I liked the guy and his music, but I am not a 12 year old with rose tinted glasses who will blow smoke up his ass whenever someone expects me too. I don't think saying his marriage to Lisa Marie was for real is "blowing smoke up his ass." I just genuinely believe they were the real deal, for reasons stated multiple times already in this thread.
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Post by TonyR on Apr 23, 2018 11:53:01 GMT
Just for once, could we start an opinion on a thorny or controversial issue like this and when people starting giving answers contrary to what the OP and their allies were expecting, that they do not turn on us and start questioning our loyalty. This is a Michael Jackson fan site for grown ass adults, who love MJ but have adult minds, values and opinions outside of childish and blind fan worship. Here it is LWP, somewhere else it may be the album Invincible, his self indulgence, the failure of certain songs/albums or some other part of his personal life. An open ended question is asked, inviting discussion and when the truth come sout shit starts going crazy. I don't care what no one says, both of his marriages were jokes and for the publicity/children. Michael was married to his art, the perfect musician and dancer he was married to that and no woman would get in the way of his career. God gave Michael the job of dance and song with passion, not to have wives and children. Michael was all this and that, but he was also a human being too, a human being with follies and faults along with the rest of us. To err is human, to acknowledge is Godlike. Michael had that gift of humility. I liked the guy and his music, but I am not a 12 year old with rose tinted glasses who will blow smoke up his ass whenever someone expects me too. Yeah, that's right. We should be able to disagree with each other & have discussions. Otherwise what's next? We can't like the odd different song, without people getting annoyed?
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Post by TonyR on Apr 23, 2018 11:54:32 GMT
But in all fairness, the timing of it was very convenient. It reminds me of my favourite Simpsons episode ‘A Fish Called Selma” where Troy McLure marries Selma to stop rumours about him ‘sleeping with the fishes’. Im glad it seems that they were a proper couple though and he had some happiness at that point in his life. Hard to believe looking back that he was only in his late 30s then. What's the insinuation when you refer to the timing as "convenient"? Are you implying that MJ felt he had to marry a woman to try to convince people he wasn't into kids? I'm sorry, but I find that quite offensive. Faking a marriage to a woman after having been accused of child molestation would be a very calculating thing to do and certainly doesn't sound like the actions of a man who has nothing to hide. "Oh no, I've been caught out. Quick! Lets marry a woman - that'll make everyone forget!". If even his fans believe MJ was like this, then what hope do we have for the general public? I'm not saying it was or was not genuine as I have no idea. But by it's very definition, MJ getting married in 1995 (or around that time) was convenient in a time when his public image had taken a battering. I'm not saying that's why he did it, but you can't deny it wasn't convenient.
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