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Post by Russg on Apr 25, 2018 5:33:13 GMT
I want to clarify, I believe 100% in MJs innocence, but that doesn't mean he didn't feel embarrassed by everything that came out in 1993. I know the media tried to portray his marriage as a rouse by MJ to cover up his guilt, but even an innocent man could potentially go to extreme lengths to try and prove to people his innocence.
I personally think LMP being on the scene as much as she was throughout the 1993 ordeal was because MJ needed a friend to help him through the hardest time of his life. After he settled in Jan 94, I then think he knew how a lot of people suspected his relationship with children was something sinister, and so marrying LMP would accomplish two things: 1.To show others that he was capable and interested in pursuing an adult heterosexual relationship with a female and 2. To have someone who could give him childen of his own.
I don't blame MJ for thinking this way, nor do I think it was the "actions of a guilty man" as someone else in this thread accused me of promoting. I think his decision to marry Lisa was the actions of a desperate man.
MJs sexuality is a contentious discussion and often a loaded debate, for obvious reasons. I don't believe he wanted LMP in that way - and that's not to say that he wasn't heterosexual. But contary to popular myth, not all men are sex crazed neanderthals. Some people just aren't that interested in sex. I think MJ was one of those people. It would certainly explain his lack of relationships outside of LMP, before and after their marriage.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 25, 2018 6:49:18 GMT
I want to clarify, I believe 100% in MJs innocence, but that doesn't mean he didn't feel embarrassed by everything that came out in 1993. I know the media tried to portray his marriage as a rouse by MJ to cover up his guilt, but even an innocent man could potentially go to extreme lengths to try and prove to people his innocence. I personally think LMP being on the scene as much as she was throughout the 1993 ordeal was because MJ needed a friend to help him through the hardest time of his life. After he settled in Jan 94, I then think he knew how a lot of people suspected his relationship with children was something sinister, and so marrying LMP would accomplish two things: 1.To show others that he was capable and interested in pursuing an adult heterosexual relationship with a female and 2. To have someone who could give him childen of his own. I don't blame MJ for thinking this way, nor do I think it was the "actions of a guilty man" as someone else in this thread accused me of promoting. I think his decision to marry Lisa was the actions of a desperate man. MJs sexuality is a contentious discussion and often a loaded debate, for obvious reasons. I don't believe he wanted LMP in that way - and that's not to say that he wasn't heterosexual. But contary to popular myth, not all men are sex crazed neanderthals. Some people just aren't that interested in sex. I think MJ was one of those people. It would certainly explain his lack of relationships outside of LMP, before and after their marriage. But they DID have a sexual relationship, Lisa Marie has been very consistent on this subject from 1995-2014. Add to that, the numerous reports from eye witnesses about how they couldn't keep their hands off eachother, especially in the beginning. The funny thing is, MJ did enter into a sham marriage, but not with LMP. If MJ's sole intention in marrying Lisa was to save face and have children of his own, then it likely would've followed the same blueprint of his second marriage to Debbie Rowe. But comparing the two marriages is like night and day. It was very obvious which marriage was real and which was just a surrogacy arrangement with a meaningless marriage proposal likely to appease Katherine's wishes. If MJ's relationship with LMP was all about proving that he wasn't guilty in 93, then why did he continue seeing her on the downlow until 1999? She was frequently on the scene, even throughout his marriage to Debbie. MJ and LMP were the archetypical divorced couple who can't seem to make a clean break from eachother. And this was all very low key, most people outside of hardcore fans don't even know that they were still in touch. Again, this refutes the idea that MJ's only interest in Lisa was for damage limitation purposes to project a certain image after 93.
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Post by respect77 on Apr 25, 2018 10:00:17 GMT
From what I gathered from LMP the most functional part of their relationship was probably the sexual part and I wouldn't be surprised if it was that part that tied them together for the longest. So it's weird to me that part is being questioned the most. When, like Matty said, LMP was always very consistent about that part. Unlike about some other aspects.
Why the extremes, anyway? The only two choices aren't sex crazed Neanderthals or asexuality. MJ wasn't a womanizer but that doesn't mean he wasn't sexually attracted to his wife.
Whether he lacked any relationship outside of LMP we can't tell. Only on the Glenda tapes you hear about a Melissa that no one knows who it was. It shows just because the public doesn't know about something it doesn't mean it didn't exist. To me it seems MJ didn't like his most intimate life be out in the public eye. The song In The Closet could be more autobiographical than we realize. Or "nobody's business but mine and my baby's" in The Way You Make Me Feel. If nothing else those things are indicative of how he thought about these things.
I don't think he had many women but I also don't think that means he wasn't interested in sex with them. The fact that he frequently read adult heterosexual magazines does tell us that he did have a sexual drive. Rather than sexuality I think what made him highly selective is trust issues and the fear of being used and hurt in a relationship.
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Post by betseyby67 on Apr 29, 2018 7:48:08 GMT
On January 18, 1989 an article in the newspaper The Mirror mentions that Michael offered sanctuary at Neverland to "his pregnant friend Lisa Marie Presley," even offering to adopt her baby. Lisa was then pregnant with her daughter Riley and gave birth in May 1989. (There was an earlier article in Star magazine dated November 29, 1988 titled "Lisa Marie Presley Leaves Husband After one Month, Elvis' Daughter Two Months Pregnant When She Weds". Apparently they reconciled.)
If true, Michael could already have met Lisa at this time and have befriended her.
Michael first tried to meet Lisa when she was 15 years old in 1983. Lisa's mother Priscilla mentioned this during an interview by Oprah sometime in 2003 when Lisa was promoting her first album. Priscilla said Michael phoned her but she said No as Lisa was too young and was still in school.
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Post by Michaels Lover on Apr 29, 2018 16:27:17 GMT
On January 18, 1989 an article in the newspaper The Mirror mentions that Michael offered sanctuary at Neverland to "his pregnant friend Lisa Marie Presley," even offering to adopt her baby. Lisa was then pregnant with her daughter Riley and gave birth in May 1989. (There was an earlier article in Star magazine dated November 29, 1988 titled "Lisa Marie Presley Leaves Husband After one Month, Elvis' Daughter Two Months Pregnant When She Weds". Apparently they reconciled.) If true, Michael could already have met Lisa at this time and have befriended her. Michael first tried to meet Lisa when she was 15 years old in 1983. Lisa's mother Priscilla mentioned this during an interview by Oprah sometime in 2003 when Lisa was promoting her first album. Priscilla said Michael phoned her but she said No as Lisa was too young and was still in school. Didn't they meet for the first time when he was 17 and she was 7? They talk about it in the interview they did with Diane Sawyer. They say that she used to come to Jackson 5 concerts and they med backstage. But they didn't stay in touch From the interview: Michael: Well, we first met, she was seven years old and I was seventeen. This was in Las Vegas. She used to come and see my show. We had the only family show on the strip – the Jackson 5. And um, she used to some as a little girl and sit right up front. She came quite often. She came with a lot of bodyguards and… Diane: Had you stayed in touch with her? Michael: Sure, sure. And then she’d come backstage and then I’d, you know, talk and say hi and then she’d come again. And I thought she was sweet and loving and I hoped I…I always hoped I’d see her again. Diane: And who first talked about marriage? Lisa: We didn’t stay in touch after that.
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Post by respect77 on Apr 30, 2018 14:09:42 GMT
Didn't they meet for the first time when he was 17 and she was 7? Yes. There is an audio clip of an Elvis concert where he introduced both the Jackson 5 and Lisa to the audience. But they didn't meet after that until I guess around the early 1990s. Michael apparently tried to contact her earlier but he was turned down by Priscilla. There is a photo of MJ and Priscilla from the 1980s. This looks like around 1987. Lisa was 19 then. Lisa said this in 2003. www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview-lisamarie-rollingstone.shtmlThe lawyer was apparently John Branca (who was also Priscilla's lawyer at the time). Actually the above photo with MJ and Priscilla looks like from Branca's wedding. www.today.com/popculture/jackson-had-long-history-estate-executor-wbna32418795
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Post by betseyby67 on May 1, 2018 2:46:48 GMT
During the early 1980s Michael already had a life plan in place which I think includes having Lisa Marie in his life, for whatever reason, that includes something as simple as a friendship or as complicated as marrying her, her being the daughter of The King.
It is reported that during the Destiny tour, while in Baltimore, Maryland on November 6, 1979 Michael wrote a note to himself (at the back of a tour itinerary) where he set goals that will guide his life and career from that day forward.
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Post by betseyby67 on May 3, 2018 1:58:03 GMT
On January 18, 1989 an article in the newspaper The Mirror mentions that Michael offered sanctuary at Neverland to "his pregnant friend Lisa Marie Presley," even offering to adopt her baby. Lisa was then pregnant with her daughter Riley and gave birth in May 1989. (There was an earlier article in Star magazine dated November 29, 1988 titled "Lisa Marie Presley Leaves Husband After one Month, Elvis' Daughter Two Months Pregnant When She Weds". Apparently they reconciled.) If true, Michael could already have met Lisa at this time and have befriended her. Michael first tried to meet Lisa when she was 15 years old in 1983. Lisa's mother Priscilla mentioned this during an interview by Oprah sometime in 2003 when Lisa was promoting her first album. Priscilla said Michael phoned her but she said No as Lisa was too young and was still in school. Didn't they meet for the first time when he was 17 and she was 7? They talk about it in the interview they did with Diane Sawyer. They say that she used to come to Jackson 5 concerts and they med backstage. But they didn't stay in touch From the interview: Michael: Well, we first met, she was seven years old and I was seventeen. This was in Las Vegas. She used to come and see my show. We had the only family show on the strip – the Jackson 5. And um, she used to some as a little girl and sit right up front. She came quite often. She came with a lot of bodyguards and… Diane: Had you stayed in touch with her? Michael: Sure, sure. And then she’d come backstage and then I’d, you know, talk and say hi and then she’d come again. And I thought she was sweet and loving and I hoped I…I always hoped I’d see her again. Diane: And who first talked about marriage? Lisa: We didn’t stay in touch after that.
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Post by betseyby67 on May 3, 2018 2:04:02 GMT
On January 18, 1989 an article in the newspaper The Mirror mentions that Michael offered sanctuary at Neverland to "his pregnant friend Lisa Marie Presley," even offering to adopt her baby. Lisa was then pregnant with her daughter Riley and gave birth in May 1989. (There was an earlier article in Star magazine dated November 29, 1988 titled "Lisa Marie Presley Leaves Husband After one Month, Elvis' Daughter Two Months Pregnant When She Weds". Apparently they reconciled.) If true, Michael could already have met Lisa at this time and have befriended her. Michael first tried to meet Lisa when she was 15 years old in 1983. Lisa's mother Priscilla mentioned this during an interview by Oprah sometime in 2003 when Lisa was promoting her first album. Priscilla said Michael phoned her but she said No as Lisa was too young and was still in school. Didn't they meet for the first time when he was 17 and she was 7? They talk about it in the interview they did with Diane Sawyer. They say that she used to come to Jackson 5 concerts and they med backstage. But they didn't stay in touch From the interview: Michael: Well, we first met, she was seven years old and I was seventeen. This was in Las Vegas. She used to come and see my show. We had the only family show on the strip – the Jackson 5. And um, she used to some as a little girl and sit right up front. She came quite often. She came with a lot of bodyguards and… Diane: Had you stayed in touch with her? Michael: Sure, sure. And then she’d come backstage and then I’d, you know, talk and say hi and then she’d come again. And I thought she was sweet and loving and I hoped I…I always hoped I’d see her again. Diane: And who first talked about marriage? Lisa: We didn’t stay in touch after that. I did not consider it relevant as Lisa said she did not remember this meeting. This was on May 26, 1974 ( the date of their marriage 20 years later). She came only once so Michael was hyping it up.
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Post by Michaels Lover on May 3, 2018 2:19:44 GMT
Didn't they meet for the first time when he was 17 and she was 7? They talk about it in the interview they did with Diane Sawyer. They say that she used to come to Jackson 5 concerts and they med backstage. But they didn't stay in touch From the interview: Michael: Well, we first met, she was seven years old and I was seventeen. This was in Las Vegas. She used to come and see my show. We had the only family show on the strip – the Jackson 5. And um, she used to some as a little girl and sit right up front. She came quite often. She came with a lot of bodyguards and… Diane: Had you stayed in touch with her? Michael: Sure, sure. And then she’d come backstage and then I’d, you know, talk and say hi and then she’d come again. And I thought she was sweet and loving and I hoped I…I always hoped I’d see her again. Diane: And who first talked about marriage? Lisa: We didn’t stay in touch after that. I did not consider it relevant as Lisa said she did not remember this meeting. This was on May 26, 1974 ( the date of their marriage 20 years later). She came only once so Michael was hyping it up. When did she say that? And if she doesn't remember it, that's not so strange since she was only 7 years old
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Post by betseyby67 on May 5, 2018 0:22:54 GMT
I did not consider it relevant as Lisa said she did not remember this meeting. This was on May 26, 1974 ( the date of their marriage 20 years later). She came only once so Michael was hyping it up. When did she say that? And if she doesn't remember it, that's not so strange since she was only 7 years old I came across it during my readings. it might have been in a book or an article. I did not see her saying it on TV so who knows. She was actually six years old at the time so she likely would not remember it. Nothing strange about that, of course, but to me this meeting was not relevant or significant. Michael had to reintroduce himself, but this time it was more difficult.
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