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Post by ghost on Sept 8, 2023 9:10:33 GMT
Can you guys answer me why Who Is It, Give In To Me & Will You Be There are so far above everything else on Dangerous? Or are they? I mean what’s the big deal exactly? I love them but I equally love others on the album. In fact I love Remember The Time, In The Closet & Dangerous just as much. Why is it when MJ does a rock track it’s instantly considered great? As an 80s fan, I was disappointed by the first half of Dangerous - the only tracks I really really loved on side one were Remember The Time and Heal The World. I still remember being in my early twenties and breathing a massive sigh of relief when I first heard side two of the album. From WII-GITM-WYBT-KTF it was abundantly clear to me that MJ still "had it" and that the MJ magic was still there, despite the trend-chasing which took up much of side one of the album.Oops, did I just stroll into the Invincible thread by accident?
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Post by mjjfan810 on Sept 8, 2023 9:38:04 GMT
As an 80s fan, I was disappointed by the first half of Dangerous - the only tracks I really really loved on side one were Remember The Time and Heal The World. I still remember being in my early twenties and breathing a massive sigh of relief when I first heard side two of the album. From WII-GITM-WYBT-KTF it was abundantly clear to me that MJ still "had it" and that the MJ magic was still there, despite the trend-chasing which took up much of side one of the album.Oops, did I just stroll into the Invincible thread by accident? The funny thing is, a lot of people criticise Invincible for trend chasing, but Dangerous does it just as much. The New Jack Swing songs on Dangerous all sound very of their time and haven't held up all that well, except for RTT imho. The title track is good too, but overly-long and gets a bit monotonous. I remember hearing Invincible for the first time and thinking "oh here we go again, Dangerous part 2" with all those Rodney Jerkins up-tempos and garbage like 2000 Watts (otherwise known as the worst song he ever recorded). Fortunately the exquisite run of tracks from Break of Dawn through to Speechless saved the day for me, much in the same way tracks 9-12 salvaged Dangerous. HIStory was his only consistently great post-80s album though, if I'm being honest. And also, the great 5 track EP of BOTD.
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Post by TonyR on Sept 8, 2023 10:23:22 GMT
Oops, did I just stroll into the Invincible thread by accident? The funny thing is, a lot of people criticise Invincible for trend chasing, but Dangerous does it just as much. The New Jack Swing songs on Dangerous all sound very of their time and haven't held up all that well, except for RTT imho. The title track is good too, but overly-long and gets a bit monotonous. I remember hearing Invincible for the first time and thinking "oh here we go again, Dangerous part 2" with all those Rodney Jerkins up-tempos and garbage like 2000 Watts (otherwise known as the worst song he ever recorded). Fortunately the exquisite run of tracks from Break of Dawn through to Speechless saved the day for me, much in the same way tracks 9-12 salvaged Dangerous. HIStory was his only consistently great post-80s album though, if I'm being honest. And also, the great 5 track EP of BOTD. I struggle with you not giving HIStory the same criticism you give Dangerous. What's not gimmicky about the Jam and Lewis numbers?
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Post by mjjfan810 on Sept 8, 2023 10:31:46 GMT
The funny thing is, a lot of people criticise Invincible for trend chasing, but Dangerous does it just as much. The New Jack Swing songs on Dangerous all sound very of their time and haven't held up all that well, except for RTT imho. The title track is good too, but overly-long and gets a bit monotonous. I remember hearing Invincible for the first time and thinking "oh here we go again, Dangerous part 2" with all those Rodney Jerkins up-tempos and garbage like 2000 Watts (otherwise known as the worst song he ever recorded). Fortunately the exquisite run of tracks from Break of Dawn through to Speechless saved the day for me, much in the same way tracks 9-12 salvaged Dangerous. HIStory was his only consistently great post-80s album though, if I'm being honest. And also, the great 5 track EP of BOTD. I struggle with you not giving HIStory the same criticism you give Dangerous. What's not gimmicky about the Jam and Lewis numbers? The Jam & Lewis tracks are great, what are you smoking? Tabloid Junkie, Scream and the title track are far superior to the New Jack Swing tracks on Dangerous (bar RTT). The only filler on HIStory for me was This Time Around and even that is instantly more listenable than garbage like Jam, SDMW, CLHGA etc.
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Post by TonyR on Sept 8, 2023 20:21:13 GMT
I struggle with you not giving HIStory the same criticism you give Dangerous. What's not gimmicky about the Jam and Lewis numbers? The Jam & Lewis tracks are great, what are you smoking? Tabloid Junkie, Scream and the title track are far superior to the New Jack Swing tracks on Dangerous (bar RTT). The only filler on HIStory for me was This Time Around and even that is instantly more listenable than garbage like Jam, SDMW, CLHGA etc. Oh dont get me wrong. I love them. But I just don't see the big difference with the NJS tracks. I'll fight you naked over Jam one day. Covered in Jam if needed. Top 5 MJ for me.
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 8, 2023 20:31:15 GMT
I love the dangerous new jack swing jams, but jam & lewis added harmonies to their mj productions
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Post by mjjfan810 on Sept 9, 2023 6:35:30 GMT
I'll fight you naked over Jam one day. Covered in Jam if needed. Why's it only ever middle aged men I get these offers from?
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 9, 2023 17:28:56 GMT
Can you guys answer me why Who Is It, Give In To Me & Will You Be There are so far above everything else on Dangerous? Or are they? I mean what’s the big deal exactly? I love them but I equally love others on the album. In fact I love Remember The Time, In The Closet & Dangerous just as much. Why is it when MJ does a rock track it’s instantly considered great? As an 80s fan, I was disappointed by the first half of Dangerous - the only tracks I really really loved on side one were Remember The Time and Heal The World. I still remember being in my early twenties and breathing a massive sigh of relief when I first heard side two of the album. From WII-GITM-WYBT-KTF it was abundantly clear to me that MJ still "had it" and that the MJ magic was still there, despite the trend-chasing which took up much of side one of the album. Sorry TonyR if that makes you cry. I got the album for Christmas 1991. I was 12. It blew me away. I remember putting it into the HiFi we had in the living room -it had these 2 massive speakers up high in 2 corners on either side of the room and certain albums sounded like surround sound. I’ll never forget someone had left the volume up loud and the shattering glass on Jam scared the life out of me. But I was quickly pulled in to the new sounds. I remember feeling it all sounded very modern and slick and grooved, although some of the tracks felt a tad repetitive there was enough there to hold my interest. Standouts for me on side A on first listen we’re Jam, WYWTOM, SDMW, RTT, Heal The World. I think some of the appeal of the NJS tracks was that they were just so different. Add to that, staring at the cassette tape cover that was a massive foldout inlay and it all felt amazing. After that I watched Charlie Brown’s Christmas and The Simpsons Christmas episode so it was a pretty damn good day for this kid! The standouts on side B for me were BOW, WYBT, Keep The Faith and Dangerous. Obviously later I came to love the other two of Tony’s Three but I don’t recall being blown away by them on that first listen. At the same time there was constantly rock music being blasted in my house through my older brother so that partly explains my initial indifference to Give In to Me. I needed to have my own thing going on. After a few more listens I was also sold on CLHGA which ITC. To this day I still lean more towards “the weaker tracks” on it. I should have posted this in Matty’s nostalgia thread.
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 9, 2023 17:30:23 GMT
As an 80s fan, I was disappointed by the first half of Dangerous - the only tracks I really really loved on side one were Remember The Time and Heal The World. I still remember being in my early twenties and breathing a massive sigh of relief when I first heard side two of the album. From WII-GITM-WYBT-KTF it was abundantly clear to me that MJ still "had it" and that the MJ magic was still there, despite the trend-chasing which took up much of side one of the album.Oops, did I just stroll into the Invincible thread by accident? You can't believe it, you can't conceive it!
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Post by MattyJam on Sept 9, 2023 17:34:00 GMT
As an 80s fan, I was disappointed by the first half of Dangerous - the only tracks I really really loved on side one were Remember The Time and Heal The World. I still remember being in my early twenties and breathing a massive sigh of relief when I first heard side two of the album. From WII-GITM-WYBT-KTF it was abundantly clear to me that MJ still "had it" and that the MJ magic was still there, despite the trend-chasing which took up much of side one of the album. Sorry TonyR if that makes you cry. I got the album for Christmas 1991. I was 12. It blew me away. I remember putting it into the HiFi we had in the living room -it had these 2 massive speakers up high in 2 corners on either side of the room and certain albums sounded like surround sound. I’ll never forget someone had left the volume up loud and the shattering glass on Jam scared the life out of me. But I was quickly pulled in to the new sounds. I remember feeling it all sounded very modern and slick and grooved, although some of the tracks felt a tad repetitive there was enough there to hold my interest. Standouts for me on side A on first listen we’re Jam, WYWTOM, SDMW, RTT, Heal The World. I think some of the appeal of the NJS tracks was that they were just so different. Add to that, staring at the cassette tape cover that was a massive foldout inlay and it all felt amazing. After that I watched Charlie Brown’s Christmas and The Simpsons Christmas episode so it was a pretty damn good day for this kid! The standouts on side B for me were BOW, WYBT, Keep The Faith and Dangerous. Obviously later I came to love the other two of Tony’s Three but I don’t recall being blown away by them on that first listen. At the same time there was constantly rock music being blasted in my house through my older brother so that partly explains my initial indifference to Give In to Me. I needed to have my own thing going on. After a few more listens I was also sold on CLHGA which ITC. To this day I still lean more towards “the weaker tracks” on it. I should have posted this in Matty’s nostalgia thread. MJ does have other albums yknow. Stop harping on about Dangerous. 😜
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 9, 2023 17:40:19 GMT
I got the album for Christmas 1991. I was 12. It blew me away. I remember putting it into the HiFi we had in the living room -it had these 2 massive speakers up high in 2 corners on either side of the room and certain albums sounded like surround sound. I’ll never forget someone had left the volume up loud and the shattering glass on Jam scared the life out of me. But I was quickly pulled in to the new sounds. I remember feeling it all sounded very modern and slick and grooved, although some of the tracks felt a tad repetitive there was enough there to hold my interest. Standouts for me on side A on first listen we’re Jam, WYWTOM, SDMW, RTT, Heal The World. I think some of the appeal of the NJS tracks was that they were just so different. Add to that, staring at the cassette tape cover that was a massive foldout inlay and it all felt amazing. After that I watched Charlie Brown’s Christmas and The Simpsons Christmas episode so it was a pretty damn good day for this kid! The standouts on side B for me were BOW, WYBT, Keep The Faith and Dangerous. Obviously later I came to love the other two of Tony’s Three but I don’t recall being blown away by them on that first listen. At the same time there was constantly rock music being blasted in my house through my older brother so that partly explains my initial indifference to Give In to Me. I needed to have my own thing going on. After a few more listens I was also sold on CLHGA which ITC. To this day I still lean more towards “the weaker tracks” on it. I should have posted this in Matty’s nostalgia thread. MJ does have other albums yknow. Stop harping on about Dangerous. 😜 Meta! I was duty bound and being gentlemanly to a fellow MJ fan. I answer ALL of my fan mail unlike a few others around here. Not necessarily you, but others.
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 9, 2023 21:02:06 GMT
I remember when black or white and will you be there came out, but didn’t buy the album till 97, and it sounded fabulous on my discman
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 9, 2023 21:22:48 GMT
I remember when black or white and will you be there came out, but didn’t buy the album till 97, and it sounded fabulous on my discman I still have a discman from the 90’s and it still works perfectly. I use it on special occasions. I might listen to Dangerous on it tomorrow. And Off The Wall! In fact I’m definitely listening to Off The Wall!
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 10, 2023 0:43:25 GMT
I remember when black or white and will you be there came out, but didn’t buy the album till 97, and it sounded fabulous on my discman I still have a discman from the 90’s and it still works perfectly. I use it on special occasions. I might listen to Dangerous on it tomorrow. And Off The Wall! In fact I’m definitely listening to Off The Wall! Fun fact, a critic compared Dangerous to Off the Wall. Do you get the same vibes too or not really?
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Post by Michaels Lover on Sept 10, 2023 10:10:09 GMT
Can you guys answer me why Who Is It, Give In To Me & Will You Be There are so far above everything else on Dangerous? Or are they? I mean what’s the big deal exactly? I love them but I equally love others on the album. In fact I love Remember The Time, In The Closet & Dangerous just as much. Why is it when MJ does a rock track it’s instantly considered great? They're not. There are songs that are much better on Dangerous than those 3
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