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Post by respect77 on Jun 22, 2018 20:48:19 GMT
First the Daily Mail published an article in which they said Jermaine told them that Joe is on his death bed. Jermaine then corrected it:
And now news host Rolands Martin tweeted this:
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Post by Michaels Lover on Jun 22, 2018 21:57:43 GMT
I can't figure out what's true and not true. I just read he's in the final stages of cancer..?
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Post by Snow White on Jun 22, 2018 22:08:27 GMT
I may be an asshole for saying this but I resent Joe has lived a longer life than Michael knowing how he exploited, took advantage of him and Joe partially caused the problems that lead him into his premature death.
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Post by suzie on Jun 23, 2018 3:21:26 GMT
I may be an asshole for saying this but I resent Joe has lived a longer life than Michael knowing how he exploited, took advantage of him and Joe partially caused the problems that lead him into his premature death. Much of MJs problems were due to Joe but not all
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Post by Snow White on Jun 23, 2018 3:34:35 GMT
I may be an asshole for saying this but I resent Joe has lived a longer life than Michael knowing how he exploited, took advantage of him and Joe partially caused the problems that lead him into his premature death. Much of MJs problems were due to Joe but not all That's why I said partially.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 23, 2018 4:36:01 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Jun 23, 2018 4:45:40 GMT
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Post by Russg on Jun 23, 2018 20:19:16 GMT
I'll save my tears for MJ's 9 anniversary in two days time. Joe doesn't deserve compassion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 23:43:14 GMT
I agree with the sentiment, he made the kids famous, kept them off the streets and cared enough to try and help his family to a better life than the mean working class existence in the ghettos of Gary Indiana. Yet his approach was wrong and he was way too brutal and emotionless.
But he was also a slave driver and an abuser, plus he was known to sexually abuse female children, cheated on Katherine several times and was completely selfish and horrible. He lived off his kids glory and never ever praiosed them. It is sickening he lived nearly 90 years when our virtuous Michael barely got 50. Joe never had to suffer the indignity of trials for crimes he never committed and he never had to put up with the gutter press and tabloid media ridiculing him and making up bullshit to sell papers and views, to completely discredit you as an artist or a human being. Despite all the abuse and nastiness, he still loved and cared about his family and seemed to at least be there when Michael was going through that trial and sincerely wanted to see his children succeed in life.
I do not wish cancer on anyone though and hope his exit is quick and painless, and no more suffering than he has had. Hate him for all his so called abuse, but respect as he gave us the Jacksons and there would be no Janet or Michael without Joe nuturing them first. I think there will be more sympathy when Katherine passes though.
Plus you can't entirely blame him for the abuse and misery, he did not know any better - stories abound his own upbringing was brutal with his father Samuel Jackson, being very abusive to him and Joe left home and married at 16 - there must be a reason why, and when Tito, Jermaine and Marlon were also 18 when they got married - you know there are reasons why kids leave home that young. My own parents had the same problem, they grew up in strict homes, where beatings were the answer for everything - it is hard to give love when you don't know it yourself - you have to learn it all over again. My mother apologised to me on her deathbed for whopping my ass too much and I told her to pay it no mind as that is how kids were corrected in their days and how they had it themselves. Of course now we know better and I would never hit a person for any reason. Who knows maybe Joe will do the same thing and apologise for being too hard on his family.
But you know, he had 88 years of life and that is much more than most people (I though he was born in July 1928 not July 1929 making him nearly 90), and how hard is it to actually find a picture of the brother smiling.
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Post by HIStoric on Jun 24, 2018 4:46:05 GMT
plus he was known to sexually abuse female children, Wait, what?
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Post by Snow White on Jun 24, 2018 4:51:32 GMT
plus he was known to sexually abuse female children, Wait, what? I want to think he meant Joe abused underage groupies. If they wanted to get to the Jackson siblings, they had to pass through Joe first.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 24, 2018 5:11:01 GMT
plus he was known to sexually abuse female children, Wait, what? Joe was not "known to sexually abuse female children". There was one claim by LaToya during her crazy years that Joe sexually abused her and Rebbie when they were kids. I don 't believe it. LaToya made lots of questionable claims under Jack Gordon's directions, as we all know. Joe is a lot of things, but I will need more than lying LaToya's claims to call him a sexual abuser.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 24, 2018 11:20:58 GMT
Rather than unsustained rumours about Joe abusing his female children, I have other issues with him.
That he was abusive is well documented (not the sexual abuse part). He was physically and verbally abusive. I sometimes see people defend him saying if not for him the J5 wouldn't have come out of Gary and that he needed to be strict for that. Well, that goes both ways: if not for Michael, Joe would have lived his life as a steel mill worker in Gary. And I get it that it must be hard to discipline 9 children and also that at the time hitting kids was considered a normal way of raising kids. But Joe went way beyond that. Mocking your kids' appearance has nothing to do with discipline. Cheating your wife with other women in full sight of your children has nothing to do with discipline. Psyhcologically abusing your kids, breaking their self-esteem has nothing to do with discipline.
I think later in life Joe mellowed a little and tried to make up for some things in his own way. Seeing him hold MJ's hand during the trial was touching. Must have been the first time in Michael's life that his father showed him such affection. But at least he was there for him in his darkest hour. On the other hand he want back being his old self here after MJ's death where it was more important for him to talk about some business he had than his son who died only a few days before.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 22:20:51 GMT
Rumours abound that he had incest with Rebbie and Latoya both when they were 11 or 12 years old and budding. Also I meant he was shagging many of the groupies who came to see Jackie, Tito, Jermaine and later on Marlon. There are stories some of the groupies were as young as 12 or 13 and this did not matter to Joe, a young girl could have fully adult breasts at 12 and whereas such behaviour today would be considered sick and illegal, in the 70s it was seen as normal.
Most of the groupies chasing rock stars in the 60s/70s were teenagers and some were known to be as young as 12 or 13, jailbait was everywhere and many stars were probably blackmailed by these girls or pimps and most of the time it was forgotten until the late 1980s when abuse finally became a no no and paedophilia really became shocking. There was a famous magazine called "Star" back in 1973 aimed at young groupies and disgusting volume lasted only 6 issues, spoke about how to score stars, get money, get layed and many tales of women as young as 14 telling them about how Mick Jagger gave them cunnalingus or Jimi Hendrix's big mamba gave them an orgasm. Mostly about white rock and roll acts, it was obvious many of them would go after the J5 given the stereotypes of black genitals and sexual prowess.
Joe himself had a prodigious sexual appetite, giving Katherine 9 kids and at least a few more to other women including Jo Vonnie Jackson his daughter with an un named white woman. There is also the story of 18 year old Eurasian Gina Sprague being beaten up by Katherine and Randy and Janet in 1980. Joe was nearly divorced at least twice by Katherine, but she always went back. So the idea Joe may have had sex with his elder daughters and test drove groupies in the 1970s seems plausible. One tale even suggests that he bonked all the women who signed to his record label - Ivory Tower Records and one of the female singers was told to take Michael's virginity and she failed after Michael started crying and read her the bible.
If anything it shows us that sexual promiscuity and half assed parenting is not a post millenial construct as people in the groovy late 60s and 70s could also be terrible parents. I mean who could condone their 12 year to 16 year old daughter off having sex with a 45 year old man so she could get to Jermaine.
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Post by Michaels Lover on Jun 24, 2018 23:44:46 GMT
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