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Post by suzie on Jul 1, 2018 6:25:36 GMT
In time, Prince would've more time with the rest of the Jacksons than the time he got to spend with his dad. And in time he's going to be more influenced by the family's way of thinking, handling things, etc. I only hope he doesn't end up becoming a bad parent like some of his uncles and Joe, especially now since he sees no wrong in their behavior now and past. None of his uncles are bad parents except Randy who was absentee. I would’nt call Joe a bad parent but he wasn’t good due to the emotional and psychological abuse |
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Jul 1, 2018 7:07:50 GMT
In time, Prince would've more time with the rest of the Jacksons than the time he got to spend with his dad. And in time he's going to be more influenced by the family's way of thinking, handling things, etc. I only hope he doesn't end up becoming a bad parent like some of his uncles and Joe, especially now since he sees no wrong in their behavior now and past. None of his uncles are bad parents except Randy who was absentee. I would’nt call Joe a bad parent but he wasn’t good due to the emotional and psychological abuse Joe wasn't a bad parent? So heavy abuse means good parenting to you? |
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Post by suzie on Jul 2, 2018 1:39:49 GMT
None of his uncles are bad parents except Randy who was absentee. I would’nt call Joe a bad parent but he wasn’t good due to the emotional and psychological abuse Joe wasn't a bad parent? So heavy abuse means good parenting to you? I addressed that in my original statement. Please read it in full |
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Post by HIStoric on Jul 2, 2018 6:12:57 GMT
Joe wasn't a bad parent? So heavy abuse means good parenting to you? I addressed that in my original statement. Please read it in full You might have said that Joe wasn't a good parent, but I don't know how someone can listen to the pain in Michael's voice when he discusses his father as an adult and yet still come to the conclusion that his father wasn't a bad parent.
Repeatedly scaring your children in the middle of the night, beating them to the point where their own mother is horrified they might actually die, insulting your insecure son's looks and then further insulting his mother by saying those 'ugly looks' are from her side of the family, forcing your underage teenage son into a room with two prostitutes so he can lose his virginity against his will? That doesn't scream bad parent to you?
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Post by Angel of Light on Jul 2, 2018 11:50:21 GMT
forcing your underage teenage son into a room with two prostitutes so he can lose his virginity against his will? That doesn't scream bad parent to you? [/div][/quote] I wonder how many people actually realize that this is a form of sexual abuse. It is pretty disturbing and twisted. Having to listen to your brothers have sex when you're a child is also. |
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Post by TonyR on Jul 2, 2018 12:39:58 GMT
Okay. I'll say my piece seeing as how literally no-one has asked for it.
I don't know Joe at all but it seems to me that everything that Michael suffered from mentally stems back to Joseph.
With my armchair psychological hat on, I would say that Mike's obsession with plastic surgery stemmed from not wanting to resemble Joe in anyway, plus the fact that he was 'teased' i.e. bullied about his nose. I have a relatively large nose and even in adulthood I get paranoid about it and I know for a fact that if money wasn't an issue and I was in the public eye I would have had it reduced.
Plus (in my opinion) I believe Michael had a very unhealthy relationship with sex and again, I put this down to the stories I've heard like others have mentioned of prostitutes & hearing his brothers having sex.
All in all, the person you become, more often that not, stems from your parentage and how you were nurtured (the whole nature vs. nurture debate). Add to this the fact that Michael didn't have a normal childhood away from this lifestyle and it's 100% understandable why Michael Jackson was, let's say, different.
And I don't mean this in a bad way, different is good, different is what makes us human, but in Michael's case I don't think different meant happy - and that's the tragic side of him.
So without Joe, would we have had Michael Jackson the superstar, who's brought us all unparalleled pleasure? No-one will ever know, but I'm damn sure that had Joe had been a different parent, Michael would still be alive today.
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Jul 2, 2018 13:29:18 GMT
Okay. I'll say my piece seeing as how literally no-one has asked for it. I don't know Joe at all but it seems to me that everything that Michael suffered from mentally stems back to Joseph. With my armchair psychological hat on, I would say that Mike's obsession with plastic surgery stemmed from not wanting to resemble Joe in anyway, plus the fact that he was 'teased' i.e. bullied about his nose. I have a relatively large nose and even in adulthood I get paranoid about it and I know for a fact that if money wasn't an issue and I was in the public eye I would have had it reduced. Plus (in my opinion) I believe Michael had a very unhealthy relationship with sex and again, I put this down to the stories I've heard like others have mentioned of prostitutes & hearing his brothers having sex. All in all, the person you become, more often that not, stems from your parentage and how you were nurtured (the whole nature vs. nurture debate). Add to this the fact that Michael didn't have a normal childhood away from this lifestyle and it's 100% understandable why Michael Jackson was, let's say, different. And I don't mean this in a bad way, different is good, different is what makes us human, but in Michael's case I don't think different meant happy - and that's the tragic side of him. So without Joe, would we have had Michael Jackson the superstar, who's brought us all unparalleled pleasure? No-one will ever know, but I'm damn sure that had Joe had been a different parent, Michael would still be alive today. Agree 100% And btw I have always hated my nose, especially since my siblings have normal ones and mine is just too big. I could always relate when it comes to MJ's insecurities about his nose. I just think that it would have been better to have therapy, but who can tell you what you should do when you have tons of money? |
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Post by respect77 on Jul 2, 2018 17:00:00 GMT
Even worse: having to listen your father have sex with women who are not your mother while your mother is waiting at home and knowing that you will have to cover up for your father and lie to your mother about it. It's so extremely fucked up. And your father not even having any shame, instead telling you "this is what you should do, boy".
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Post by respect77 on Jul 3, 2018 15:50:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 15:55:10 GMT
Michael Jackson Ireland just shared a post with a phone recording of the funeral... Jesus christ who films a funeral with a phone
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Post by Snow White on Jul 3, 2018 16:03:55 GMT
I guess the Jacksons indeed asked the estate to purchase resting spots at Forest Lawn.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 3, 2018 16:10:17 GMT
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Post by Snow White on Jul 3, 2018 16:28:03 GMT
^^Eissa looks a lot like his father.
If I ever have the chance to go to Forest Lawn, I'd just pay respects to Michael and Elizabeth Taylor. Joe wasn't a good father or person to get big tributes from fans but it wouldn't surprise me if the fans do it if there are many thinking if it wasn't for Joe's tough discipline we shouldn't have Michael as we know him.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Jul 4, 2018 8:24:51 GMT
Were Prince and Paris at the funeral? I didn't see them in any of the pictures.
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Post by Russg on Jul 4, 2018 11:01:53 GMT
Were Prince and Paris at the funeral? I didn't see them in any of the pictures. Paris definitely was, according to this article:
Janet Jackson and niece Paris 'avoided each other at Joe's funeral' after 'quarreling over who would pay for the affair'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5914693/Jackson-family-attend-Joe-Jacksons-funeral-luncheon.html
The Jackson family couldn't let bygones by bygones as they gathered to lay their patriarch, Joe Jackson, to rest on Monday.
According to a new report in RadarOnline, Janet Jackson and her neice Paris, Michael Jackson's eldest daughter, refused to speak during the services.
'Paris was almost unnoticeable at the funeral, and chose to stay away from her father’s siblings,' one source told the outlet. 'She was definitely frosty.'
Another source told Radar that Paris was upset that her aunt didn't spend more time at her grandfather's death bed.
'Paris thinks Janet is acting fake,' the source close to the family said.
It was previously reported that Paris and Janet had been fighting over who would pay for the funeral.
Meanwhile, it was also reported that La Toya Jackson was fighting with her nephew Taj, son of her brother Tito Jackson.
'Taj is very protective of his grandpa, and he feels that it was disrespectful for her to attend,' a source told Radar.
La Toya accused her father of physical and sexual abuse in her 1991 memoir.
But when he died last Wednesday, she only had kind things to say.
'I will always love you! You gave us strength, you made us one of the most famous families in the world. I am extremely appreciative of that, I will never forget our moments together and how you told me how much you cared. #RIP Joe Jackson,' La Toya tweeted last week.
Both Janet and La Toya were seen attending a lunching at the Langham Huntington Hotel in Pasadena, California, after laying their father to rest at the Forest Lawn Memorial Part cemetery in Glendale.
Paris was not photographed leaving the luncheon like many of the Jackson family members - including her younger brother Blanket.
It's unclear whether the model attended the luncheon at all.
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