TonyR
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Post by TonyR on Jul 4, 2018 12:11:00 GMT
^ if an article says ‘the source says’ then it didn’t happen.
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Post by Angel of Light on Jul 4, 2018 12:46:55 GMT
There is no doubt in my mind that Michael paid for the funeral and plot.
Who else would?
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Post by respect77 on Jul 4, 2018 16:37:59 GMT
This is about the answer Prince should have said too:
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Post by Russg on Jul 7, 2018 6:39:12 GMT
So Tito has given a new interview about Joe spouting the usual Jackson party lines. Perhaps most shocking of all is that he claims to "not care" as to whether LaToya was sexually abused by Joe. And he also claims that Joe and Katherine were still a couple and were a "true love affair"... Despite Joe's 25 year affair with another women and the fact that they haven't lived together for years. Denial truly runs deep in the Jackson family. www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/tito-jackson-says-dads-tough-12867924
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Post by respect77 on Jul 7, 2018 7:03:46 GMT
And here the family's whitwashing of Joe's actions and belittling of MJ's abuse continues with an interview that Tito gave to the Mirror, a tabloid, that is one of the absolutely worst when it comes to MJ. God, this family is what you find in the dictionary when you look up "dysfunctional".
Then why the hell are you talking abotu MJ's experiences and belittle them?
I can't with the whitewashing:
Sure, it was. Husbands who love their spouse cheat on them regularly - and the most shameless, humiliating ways, like Joe did. Katherine never had a partner for decades. They didn't even live together for a long time.
And I am so done with the "if not for Joseph we would have ended up in gangs, on drugs or dead" narrative. Severe physical abuse is not the only way to keep children in line and mental, psychological abuse is absolutely unnecessary for that.
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Post by HIStoric on Jul 7, 2018 8:27:19 GMT
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Post by humannature on Jul 7, 2018 14:08:20 GMT
Look who's talking! Dr. Conrad Murray calls the late Joe Jackson 'one of the worst fathers in history' and hopes that the patriarch finds 'redemption in hell' for 'chemically castrating' Michael so he kept his higher-pitched voice The 65-year-old Murray unloaded his fury towards the father, calling him 'one of the worst fathers to his children in history'
Dr Conrad Murray added: 'It is said only the good die young. I hope Joe Jackson finds redemption in hell' His comments follow news that Joe Jackson died at the age of 89 in June
The doctor's self published book alleged that Joe forced Michael to undergo hormone injections to stop acne and keep the star's voice from deepening
Dr Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the 2009 death of Michael Jackson, and served four years for itBy Matthew Wright For Dailymail.com Published: 06:33 BST, 7 July 2018 | Updated: 06:45 BST, 7 July 2018 Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson, has called Joe Jackson one of the worst fathers of all time and added that he hopes the patriarch finds 'redemption in hell.' The 65-year-old Murray unloaded his fury towards the father, calling him 'one of the worst fathers to his children in history' in a short clip obtained by The Blast. 'Joe Jackson was one of the worst fathers to his children in history,' he ranted in the video. 'The cruelty expressed by Michael that he experienced at the hand of his father … the fact that he was chemically castrated to maintain his high-pitched voice is beyond words. Dr. Murray's 2016 self published book 'This Is It! The Secret Lives of Dr. Conrad Murray and Michael Jackson' alleged that Joe forced the star to undergo hormone injections in hopes that he could cure Michael's acne and keep his voice from deepening. It was no secret that Joe Jackson and Michael did not have the best relationship, with Joe said to have been physically abusive to both him and his siblings for years while they were growing up. It was even reported that Joe Jackson wasn't in Michael's will when he died. Dr Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the 2009 death of Michael Jackson, and served four years for it. At the time of his passing in 2009, Michael had been under the care of Dr. Murray. He served four years for the musician's death and still maintained his own innocence throughout the proceedings. In 2010, Joe Jackson tried to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Murray but that case was later dropped. 'I would not shed a single tear for the passing of this cruel and evil man, Joe Jackson,' Murray added in his video. I hope Joe Jackson finds redemption in hell.' A source close to the family said that they are not happy with Murray words, and have already contacted their lawyers. 'They have already contacted their lawyers and are willing to do whatever they need to do in order to silence Conrad Murray,' the source told Radar Online. 'Paris gets so worked up Opens a New Window. over everything and Joe's death is bringing up a lot of pain for her and she can't believe how everyone is so intent on destroying him right after he died.' 'Everyone knows that Michael had a lot of issues with his father. They all did. But if not for Joe they would not have the luxuries in life that they have today.'
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Post by humannature on Jul 7, 2018 14:21:17 GMT
How sick and twisted this is! The irony!
A convicted killer and one of the worst doctors in history, talking about one of the worst fathers in history, and while doing so talking tabloid trash about the person he killed!
This sociopath has never showed any emotions or remorse about his victim's death.
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TonyR
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Post by TonyR on Jul 7, 2018 14:25:09 GMT
Read that today. Didn't want to give it the time of day on here.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 7, 2018 14:33:22 GMT
Why does the media keep giving a platform to a convicted criminal to further victimize his victim by selling BS stories about him.
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Post by Snow White on Jul 8, 2018 19:52:46 GMT
Despite being the most vocal of the siblings to denounce Joe's abuse, I thought Michael still had in way the Stockholm syndrome with his father because he was benevolent and compassionate towards Joe justifying his actions, blaming himself for the abuse and apologizing for telling the truth: But when I read this Tito's interview, Michael's Stockholm syndrome was mild in comparison. I know Tito has been downplaying the abuse Michael went through at the hands of their father ever since he died but this interview is the absolute worst, so full of delusion and self-deception that it was revolting to read.
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Post by bedroom on Jul 8, 2018 20:05:02 GMT
Despite being the most vocal of the siblings to denounce Joe's abuse, I thought Michael still had in way the Stockholm syndrome with his father because he was benevolent and compassionate towards Joe justifying his actions, blaming himself for the abuse and apologizing for telling the truth: But when I read this Tito's interview, Michael's Stockholm syndrome was mild in comparison. I know Tito has been downplaying the abuse Michael went through at the hands of their father ever since he died but this interview is the absolute worst, so full of delusion and self-deception that it was revolting to read. Is that quote from a magazine interview or something? I really would love to read the whole interview. Can you please give the link? Thanks in advance
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Post by Snow White on Jul 8, 2018 20:24:38 GMT
Despite being the most vocal of the siblings to denounce Joe's abuse, I thought Michael still had in way the Stockholm syndrome with his father because he was benevolent and compassionate towards Joe justifying his actions, blaming himself for the abuse and apologizing for telling the truth: But when I read this Tito's interview, Michael's Stockholm syndrome was mild in comparison. I know Tito has been downplaying the abuse Michael went through at the hands of their father ever since he died but this interview is the absolute worst, so full of delusion and self-deception that it was revolting to read. Is that quote from a magazine interview or something? I really would love to read the whole interview. Can you please give the link? Thanks in advance It's from the rabbi tapes, I'd recommend you to look for the version without the rabbi's comments just their conversations since they're full of judgement and wrong assumptions but in the meantime if you can't find it this article picked up the parts Michael talked about Joe. www.today.com/popculture/michael-jackson-i-am-scared-my-father-wbna33004980
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Post by respect77 on Jul 9, 2018 4:32:07 GMT
Despite being the most vocal of the siblings to denounce Joe's abuse, I thought Michael still had in way the Stockholm syndrome with his father because he was benevolent and compassionate towards Joe justifying his actions, blaming himself for the abuse and apologizing for telling the truth: But when I read this Tito's interview, Michael's Stockholm syndrome was mild in comparison. I know Tito has been downplaying the abuse Michael went through at the hands of their father ever since he died but this interview is the absolute worst, so full of delusion and self-deception that it was revolting to read. I think it is natural that MJ too would have conflicted feelings about his father. (And I'd say he was in denial about his mother still.) But he came the farthest in seeing his father for what he was and acknowleding the abuse as abuse. I have no doubt that this party line of "if not for Joseph's methods we would have ended up in jail, on drugs or dead" is their abuser (Joe) gaslighting them, telling them that because they didn't end up in jail or dead in the streets of Gary they were well raised and they are indebted to Joseph forever for that. I think some of the siblings (maybe most) believe that too. But you don't need to beat the shit out of your children for them to not be in gangs, or end up dead. Let alone the mental abuse. That Joseph's abuse was necessary is a lie. Unfortunately apparently he managed to make most of his children believe that lie. People like to dwell on MJ's issues and when MJ died I even saw a guy on CNN noting how now at least his children will be better off with "normal people, like Jermaine". LOL at the ignorance of that comment. "Normal Jermaine" was a deadbeat parent to his own children and he continued Joseph's cycle of phsyical abuse as well. Despite of the perfect family facade, it is not like the Jackson siblings didn't end up having serious issues. Many of the brothers continued the cycle of abuse by beating their own children. Taj recently admitted to having been beaten as a child, so any wonder why Tito is defending the practice? Because he was doing it himself! Randy was even in jail for domestic violence, for god's sake! So much about none of them ending up in jail. Well, not for gang violence, but for repeating Joe's pattern Randy actually did. Michael and LaToya dealt with the abuse in a different way. They, instead of copying Joe's ways, were drawn to all kinds of people who ended up further abusing them. LaToya with Jack Gordon. Michael with all those fickle "friends" that he picked up from any street left and right, only to leave himself vulnerable to all kind of users and abusers. That's also a typical way of abuse victims - if they don't continue the cycle then they forever end up in situations where they become victimized again and again. The fact that Michael fled to such fickle "friends" and opened himself up to being used so easily is also a result of his childhood abuse and it almost made him end up in jail. And arguably contributed to his drug problems, sleep problems and in an indirect manner to his early death. LaToya too could have ended up dead if not for his brothers freeing her from Jack Gordon. So in the family's place I wouldn't brag too much about the siblings not ending up on drugs, jail or dead thanks to Joe's "discipline". In many ways MJ was actually the most healthy of them all. He got to the point where he at least acknowleged the problem and the dysfunction and wanted to break the cycle. That's actually a more healthy personality than the people who keep being in denial about even the fact that they and their family have a problem. His ways of handling it weren't perfect either (throwing himself in the arms of vultures, plastic surgery etc.) but at least he took that first step to acknowledging that there was a problem with his family. Most of the family, however, is still in denial.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 13, 2018 5:44:01 GMT
Look who's talking! Dr. Conrad Murray calls the late Joe Jackson 'one of the worst fathers in history' and hopes that the patriarch finds 'redemption in hell' for 'chemically castrating' Michael so he kept his higher-pitched voice The 65-year-old Murray unloaded his fury towards the father, calling him 'one of the worst fathers to his children in history'
Dr Conrad Murray added: 'It is said only the good die young. I hope Joe Jackson finds redemption in hell' His comments follow news that Joe Jackson died at the age of 89 in June
The doctor's self published book alleged that Joe forced Michael to undergo hormone injections to stop acne and keep the star's voice from deepening
Dr Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the 2009 death of Michael Jackson, and served four years for itBy Matthew Wright For Dailymail.com Published: 06:33 BST, 7 July 2018 | Updated: 06:45 BST, 7 July 2018 Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson, has called Joe Jackson one of the worst fathers of all time and added that he hopes the patriarch finds 'redemption in hell.' The 65-year-old Murray unloaded his fury towards the father, calling him 'one of the worst fathers to his children in history' in a short clip obtained by The Blast. 'Joe Jackson was one of the worst fathers to his children in history,' he ranted in the video. 'The cruelty expressed by Michael that he experienced at the hand of his father … the fact that he was chemically castrated to maintain his high-pitched voice is beyond words. Dr. Murray's 2016 self published book 'This Is It! The Secret Lives of Dr. Conrad Murray and Michael Jackson' alleged that Joe forced the star to undergo hormone injections in hopes that he could cure Michael's acne and keep his voice from deepening. It was no secret that Joe Jackson and Michael did not have the best relationship, with Joe said to have been physically abusive to both him and his siblings for years while they were growing up. It was even reported that Joe Jackson wasn't in Michael's will when he died. Dr Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the 2009 death of Michael Jackson, and served four years for it. At the time of his passing in 2009, Michael had been under the care of Dr. Murray. He served four years for the musician's death and still maintained his own innocence throughout the proceedings. In 2010, Joe Jackson tried to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Murray but that case was later dropped. 'I would not shed a single tear for the passing of this cruel and evil man, Joe Jackson,' Murray added in his video. I hope Joe Jackson finds redemption in hell.' A source close to the family said that they are not happy with Murray words, and have already contacted their lawyers. 'They have already contacted their lawyers and are willing to do whatever they need to do in order to silence Conrad Murray,' the source told Radar Online. 'Paris gets so worked up Opens a New Window. over everything and Joe's death is bringing up a lot of pain for her and she can't believe how everyone is so intent on destroying him right after he died.' 'Everyone knows that Michael had a lot of issues with his father. They all did. But if not for Joe they would not have the luxuries in life that they have today.' Not that we didn't know it was nonsense, but nice to see Grace speak up. I read on LSA this nonsense actually spread ONCE AGAIN acoss many media. SMH at how the media just don't have any standards these days. Giving a platform to a convicted criminal to bash his victim.
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