TonyR
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Post by TonyR on Nov 3, 2018 10:52:03 GMT
I have to say I'm getting mightily pissed off at the constant protests from those who voted remain. The vote was done. Leave won. I completely respect that those who wanted to remain in the EU have right to their opinion, but the protests, constant fear-mongering and street parades are getting OLD. If remain won, I don't believe they'd tantrum this way. All this "We all want a new people's vote" is a laugh. We had the "People's Vote" in 2016. It’s the fact that the public was blatantly lied to and things like the Irish peace process was never even mentioned. If there’d had been even a sniff of the fact that this may threaten peace in Northern Ireland then Leave wouldn’t have won. Plus it’s obvious now that it wasn’t the right decision and it’s incredibly complicated and will threaten people’s future. Therefore with these new facts we should be given a second chance. Its the equivalent of: ’Would you like a sandwich?’ ’Yes, please’ ’Ok, here’s your shit sandwich ‘ ’But, I didn’t know it was full of shit’ ’Sorry mate, you asked for it’
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Post by ghost on Nov 4, 2018 0:41:05 GMT
I have to say I'm getting mightily pissed off at the constant protests from those who voted remain. The vote was done. Leave won. I completely respect that those who wanted to remain in the EU have right to their opinion, but the protests, constant fear-mongering and street parades are getting OLD. If remain won, I don't believe they'd tantrum this way. All this "We all want a new people's vote" is a laugh. We had the "People's Vote" in 2016. It’s the fact that the public was blatantly lied to and things like the Irish peace process was never even mentioned. If there’d had been even a sniff of the fact that this may threaten peace in Northern Ireland then Leave wouldn’t have won. Plus it’s obvious now that it wasn’t the right decision and it’s incredibly complicated and will threaten people’s future. Therefore with these new facts we should be given a second chance. Its the equivalent of: ’Would you like a sandwich?’ ’Yes, please’ ’Ok, here’s your shit sandwich ‘ ’But, I didn’t know it was full of shit’ ’Sorry mate, you asked for it’ I don't think it's obvious that Leave was the wrong decision at all. There is a major problem in this country when it comes to immigration and the left must admit that there is extreme leftism. Forcing an ideology (multiculturalism) on people with threats of being racist, misogynistic bigots if you don't agree, is facism.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 4, 2018 7:33:22 GMT
It’s the fact that the public was blatantly lied to and things like the Irish peace process was never even mentioned. If there’d had been even a sniff of the fact that this may threaten peace in Northern Ireland then Leave wouldn’t have won. Plus it’s obvious now that it wasn’t the right decision and it’s incredibly complicated and will threaten people’s future. Therefore with these new facts we should be given a second chance. Its the equivalent of: ’Would you like a sandwich?’ ’Yes, please’ ’Ok, here’s your shit sandwich ‘ ’But, I didn’t know it was full of shit’ ’Sorry mate, you asked for it’ I don't think it's obvious that Leave was the wrong decision at all. There is a major problem in this country when it comes to immigration and the left must admit that there is extreme leftism. Forcing an ideology (multiculturalism) on people with threats of being racist, misogynistic bigots if you don't agree, is facism.No, it isn't: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
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Post by Liberian Girl on Nov 4, 2018 8:34:25 GMT
It was made clear from the get-go what brexit meant. The choices were:
Leave the EU Remain in the EU
People chose. That's democracy. The people coming forward with horror stories about how the world will end, or the endless protests saying "we need another vote" are wrong and want to turn over a legitimate vote from our country.
People are talking about what a failure it is - the media (particularly mainstream news outlets owned by people who voted remain lol) are talking every day about how it's an Armageddon for Britain....um, it hasn't happened yet. All we've done is read about it. It hasn't been given a chance.
The people who chant for a "People's Vote" have often behaved disgustingly. Saying stuff like "I bet old people voted leave, so let's vote again because maybe loads are dead now and more younger ones can vote!" Awful. Disgusting.
A) if it wasn't for the older generation you wouldn't have the freedoms and rights we have today. THEY fought for us to have what we have.
B) Massive misconception there anyway, because many young people also voted leave
C) the protests have, admittedly, had big support. The recent protests had over 120,000 attendance. But that's not 17.5+ million protesters so it's pointless.
All those who voted in the 70s to not join the EU had to wait until 2016 for another chance to vote leave. They waited. They didn't stage massive tantrums.
If they had to wait from the 70s until now to have another say, then I'm afraid the current remain protesters will have to emulate the same grace and patience.
Anyone would think Britain will die. However did we manage to live all through those years until the 70s when we joined the EU??
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Post by ghost on Nov 15, 2018 7:53:51 GMT
I think it's obvious by now that May has come up with a really shit agreement with the EU, purely so there's enough resistance in Parliament to justify the betrayal of yet another referendum
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Post by respect77 on Nov 16, 2018 15:52:24 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Jan 22, 2019 17:07:44 GMT
To add to what Liberian Girl and Matty Jam have already said, the idea that the Northern Ireland peace process was never mentioned during the run up to the UK EU Referendum in June 2016 is absolutely nonsense.
It's been talked about since the EU Referendum was passed into UK law back in late 2015.
The Northern Ireland Assembly even produced a document for MLAs (NI elected politicians) with a number of resources. Handily, it includes weblinks to quite a number of newspaper articles about it.
For anyone to think it was never talked about, well that just reflects on themselves.
But let me be very, very clear in saying that Brexit is NOT a justification for the Republicans to return to violence.
The Belfast Agreement states that different political aspirations are perfectly OK, but all parties including citizens MUST resolve it via political means. In other words, discourse.
Let me be Frank in saying that Northern Ireland did NOT allow a violent Republicanism to dictate its overall future. A minority of the overall population engaged in paramilitary violence during Operation Banner aka The Troubles.
A Republican minority may still threaten violence using Brexit as an excuse, but that IS no reason for British politicians to cower. You can be sure that Northern Ireland will NOT cower in the face of threats.
At any rate, Northern Ireland had the LOWEST turnout in the UK EU Referendum DESPITE knowing all about the threats of a return to violence. It was 62% of the electorate who voted.
On top of that, in the UK General Election in 2017 the people of Northern Ireland voted KNOWING the Brexit positions of all political parties.
The biggest parties voted in was the DUP and Sinn Fein. The DUP are in favour of Brexit and Sinn Fein not.
Voted for by the people.
Interesting to note that Sinn Fein spent decades being against the EU. That is, until the UK voted Leave. Just another part of their anti-British sentiment and propagandistic push for a united Ireland nonsense by any means.
In short, stop using Northern Ireland as a weapon to beat Brexit with.
Brexit will work out for the UK in the long term. It's not been covered up that there will not be some short to medium term pain. Long term, we'll be alright.
Oh, and I did vote Remain. If there's a second referendum, I'll vote Leave.
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Post by kremlinshadow on Jan 23, 2019 22:00:09 GMT
I think it's obvious by now that May has come up with a really shit agreement with the EU, purely so there's enough resistance in Parliament to justify the betrayal of yet another referendum A deal is about compromises and not everything will be as the UK would like it. The EU has its interests too. The unreasonable behaviour of the EU is what caused the referendum in the beginning. Regardless these puppets are just following their NWO masters, this has been set out for years. It's quite obviously in the best interests of the UK for a hard-brexit, we would thrive but it won't happen it's all part of the big plan of a single European state/army. What PM in their right mind would secretly tie us into a deal where we had no say for years to come, yet would have to abide by EU rules and still have to pay for the privilege? A PM that doesn't have the interests of their people in mind and also one that has no faith in her own country, it makes not one bit of sense she's simply a puppet.
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Post by kremlinshadow on Jan 23, 2019 22:02:40 GMT
Oh, and I did vote Remain. If there's a second referendum, I'll vote Leave. That's good to hear because if one thing has been noticed in all this mess, it's that the EU cannot be trusted.
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Post by pg13 on Jan 23, 2019 23:36:23 GMT
Oh, and I did vote Remain. If there's a second referendum, I'll vote Leave. That's good to hear because if one thing has been noticed in all this mess, it's that the EU cannot be trusted. Indeed, and I certainly don't trust the EU when it comes to Northern Ireland either. People forget that the EU wasn't involved in the Northern Ireland peace process AND the EU is NOT a signatory to the Belfast Agreement (correct name) aka Good Friday Agreement. Therefore, the EU itself cannot be considered to break any of the terms. But the signatories are the NI parties, UK Government and the Republic of Ireland Government. NI parties don't want a hard border and the UK Government doesn't also. Neither does the Republic of Ireland Government. The EU? Their wee man has said there has to be a hard border and that's something that the EU can only enforce on the ROI side. The backstop is a ridiculous idea as well. In short, I don't like the behaviour of the EU.
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Post by pg13 on Jan 25, 2019 18:06:12 GMT
It's a pain in the hole for the Irish anyway, as we will be affected. But because the Brits can't make up their mind, it'll drag on and on and on. Silly Brits* *Relax ".....the Brits.....Silly Brits...." Is this a hint of anti-British sentiment I detect? In an Irish or Northern Ireland context, such terminology is frequently seen as being offensive. Divisive, even. As in the case of SDLP MLA John Dallat recently: m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sdlp-mla-clarifies-brits-social-media-post-after-londonderry-bombing-37729866.htmlAnd his hypocrisy: www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/eilis-o-hanlon/eilis-ohanlon-two-weeks-ago-john-dallat-mla-told-the-dup-to-order-the-book-how-to-win-friends-and-influence-people-in-bulk-doesnt-sound-so-clever-after-his-tweet-about-the-dissident-bomb-does-it-37743178.htmlIt also brings to mind, again in an Irish and Northern Ireland context, the other expression of it. "West Brit" as usually uttered by Republicans. I hope not, but the connotation still breaches somewhat. As it is, the British did make up their minds. Anyway, an option on the table is for the EU to treat the Republic of Ireland as though they're leaving the EU along with the UK. Border checks on Irish goods at Calais and Rotterdam may yet end up being a reality. Indeed, this is the best solution which will ensure the UK and ROI Governments don't break the commitments they've given - both BA/GFA and non-BA/GFA. The EU are not signatories or co-guarantors in this whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 18:10:47 GMT
It's a pain in the hole for the Irish anyway, as we will be affected. But because the Brits can't make up their mind, it'll drag on and on and on. Silly Brits* *Relax ".....the Brits.....Silly Brits...." Is this a hint of anti-British sentiment I detect? In an Irish or Northern Ireland context, such terminology is frequently seen as being offensive. Divisive, even. As in the case of SDLP MLA John Dallat recently: m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sdlp-mla-clarifies-brits-social-media-post-after-londonderry-bombing-37729866.htmlAnd his hypocrisy: www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/eilis-o-hanlon/eilis-ohanlon-two-weeks-ago-john-dallat-mla-told-the-dup-to-order-the-book-how-to-win-friends-and-influence-people-in-bulk-doesnt-sound-so-clever-after-his-tweet-about-the-dissident-bomb-does-it-37743178.htmlIt also brings to mind, again in an Irish and Northern Ireland context, the other expression of it. "West Brit" as usually uttered by Republicans. I hope not, but the connotation still breaches somewhat. As it is, the British did make up their minds. Anyway, an option on the table is for the EU to treat the Republic of Ireland as though they're leaving the EU along with the UK. Border checks on Irish goods at Calais and Rotterdam may yet end up being a reality. Indeed, this is the best solution which will ensure the UK and ROI Governments don't break the commitments they've given - both BA/GFA and non-BA/GFA. The EU are not signatories or co-guarantors in this whatsoever. ... well, i thought my * along with *Relax highlighted it was tongue in cheek (like 99% of my posts here) but now that you ask me, I do think Britain is silly for it, because of the non stop shambles and embarrassment it's been since day one.
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Post by TonyR on Jan 25, 2019 22:59:44 GMT
... well, i thought my * along with *Relax highlighted it was tongue in cheek (like 99% of my posts here) but now that you ask me, I do think Britain is silly for it, because of the non stop shambles and embarrassment it's been since day one. Britain isn’t silly for it mate. It’s fucking stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 23:00:37 GMT
... well, i thought my * along with *Relax highlighted it was tongue in cheek (like 99% of my posts here) but now that you ask me, I do think Britain is silly for it, because of the non stop shambles and embarrassment it's been since day one. Britain isn’t silly for it mate. It’s fucking stupid. Its our news EVERY. SINGLE. DAY too.
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Post by pg13 on Jan 26, 2019 10:01:21 GMT
... well, i thought my * along with *Relax highlighted it was tongue in cheek (like 99% of my posts here) but now that you ask me, I do think Britain is silly for it, because of the non stop shambles and embarrassment it's been since day one. Perhaps, but the "*Relax" could simply be a cover for Brit bashing, essentially. So, it's perfectly valid to point it out. Especially in a Northern Ireland and a Republic of Ireland context. Of course, it's messy which is what happens when there's very different, diametrically opposed views at play. And it's not just the UK either. As Micheal Martin noted a year ago, it's very unhelpful to have a "get one over the Brits" attitude. One only need look at how the Irish ministers have been scrambling over the border question. Contradictory, even. Especially given the indications by the EU of a hard border potentially being erected on the Republic of Ireland side. The ROI will need to make a choice there should the EU demand they do so. Bearing in mind they're co-guarantors of the Agreement where the EU are not. Or the other proposal which is the EU impose checks on Irish goods at Calais and Rotterdam. Essentially, treating the ROI as though they are leaving the EU along with the UK. As I said, this is the best solution in many ways. The Northern Ireland backstop proposal is not a good idea either, especially given it violates the principle of consent as enshrined in the Belfast Agreement aka the Good Friday Agreement. Anyway, here's one example of Irish confusion and avoidance over the border issue: www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/minister-fails-to-answer-questions-about-hard-border-15-times-1.3767898
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