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Post by respect77 on Dec 15, 2019 5:18:52 GMT
Ironic that they weren't bothered by Corbyn's antisemitism. It seems to me that antisemitism is the accepted form of racism on the left these days. Making antisemitism in Britain a left v. right issue is incredibly bizarre. Both the Conservatives and Labour have a rather shameful history of antisemitism (both historic and current), and it's down to the Conservative spin team for making it seem like Labour was alone in grappling with it. When the left pulls the race card on everyone who voted Brexit/Tory, then yes, it is ironic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 9:39:53 GMT
Ironic that they weren't bothered by Corbyn's antisemitism. It seems to me that antisemitism is the accepted form of racism on the left these days. A girl I know recently moved to Israel to get away from the possibility of a Labour UK. She's mental also, though. Take what you will.
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Post by Vega on Dec 15, 2019 9:40:45 GMT
Making antisemitism in Britain a left v. right issue is incredibly bizarre. Both the Conservatives and Labour have a rather shameful history of antisemitism (both historic and current), and it's down to the Conservative spin team for making it seem like Labour was alone in grappling with it. When the left pulls the race card on everyone who voted Brexit/Tory, then yes, it is ironic. I don't think a handful of Extremely Onlineโข hacks shooting their mouth off on Twitter represents "the left" anymore than white nationalists or skinheads represent Conservatism. The obsession with finding the worst of the worst of one's political opponents and tarring the whole group is rather unhelpful and just increases the toxicity of politics.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Dec 15, 2019 11:13:51 GMT
Ironic that they weren't bothered by Corbyn's antisemitism. It seems to me that antisemitism is the accepted form of racism on the left these days. Hardly a fair comment on Corbyn, he's done more than any previous Labour leader to eradicate that kind of hatred from the party. The charge against him has come from the right wing press who know full well that they're talking bullshit. There's more hatred towards Jews in the Conservative party, as well as rampant hatred towards Muslims.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Dec 15, 2019 11:20:11 GMT
Isn't it nice to know that the UK has endorsed a lying, racist, homophobic toff as PM. Happy times.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 11, 2020 12:15:19 GMT
Ironic that they weren't bothered by Corbyn's antisemitism. It seems to me that antisemitism is the accepted form of racism on the left these days. Hardly a fair comment on Corbyn, he's done more than any previous Labour leader to eradicate that kind of hatred from the party. The charge against him has come from the right wing press who know full well that they're talking bullshit. There's more hatred towards Jews in the Conservative party, as well as rampant hatred towards Muslims. On the contrary. According to the UK Home Affairs Committee, a whopping 87% of British Jewish people believe Labour has an anti-semitism problem. It also tells us that 59% of British Jewish people identify as Zionists as well. That's a majority of British Jewish people. In other words, there is an overlap between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism. In contrast, just 13% of British Jewish people believe the Conservative Party has an anti-semitism problem. It cannot be put down to a "right wing press". Corbyn has been inconsistent on the subject of the Jewish people, one second apologising for Labour's ineffectiveness and the next refusing to! Indeed, 500 Corbyn allies all admitted Labour has an anti-semitism problem via a letter. www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/28/labour-worst-day-shame-tom-watson-luciana-berger-resignation?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardHow then can it be put down as coming from "right wing bullshit"?
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Post by Cloudbuster on Feb 11, 2020 22:33:52 GMT
Hardly a fair comment on Corbyn, he's done more than any previous Labour leader to eradicate that kind of hatred from the party. The charge against him has come from the right wing press who know full well that they're talking bullshit. There's more hatred towards Jews in the Conservative party, as well as rampant hatred towards Muslims. On the contrary. According to the UK Home Affairs Committee, a whopping 87% of British Jewish people believe Labour has an anti-semitism problem. It also tells us that 59% of British Jewish people identify as Zionists as well. That's a majority of British Jewish people. In other words, there is an overlap between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism. In contrast, just 13% of British Jewish people believe the Conservative Party has an anti-semitism problem. It cannot be put down to a "right wing press". Corbyn has been inconsistent on the subject of the Jewish people, one second apologising for Labour's ineffectiveness and the next refusing to! Indeed, 500 Corbyn allies all admitted Labour has an anti-semitism problem via a letter. www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/28/labour-worst-day-shame-tom-watson-luciana-berger-resignation?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardHow then can it be put down as coming from "right wing bullshit"? Oh, I dunno. www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/the-conservative-party-anti-semitism-crisis-nobody-talks-about/
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Post by pg13 on Feb 12, 2020 10:00:31 GMT
They are in the minority of British Jewish people, in fact. Only 13% of British Jewish people don't believe Labour has an anti-semitism problem. But a whopping 87% of British Jewish people believe Labour does. As for the Conservative Party, just 13% of British Jewish people believe the Conservatives have an anti-semitism problem. The vast majority of British Jewish people do NOT believe the Conservatives do.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Feb 12, 2020 15:56:57 GMT
They are in the minority of British Jewish people, in fact. Only 13% of British Jewish people don't believe Labour has an anti-semitism problem. But a whopping 87% of British Jewish people believe Labour does. As for the Conservative Party, just 13% of British Jewish people believe the Conservatives have an anti-semitism problem. The vast majority of British Jewish people do NOT believe the Conservatives do. Well Boris Johnson is now the Prime Minister of the UK. A man that has made derogatory comments about pretty much every minority here. Be happy with that.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 12, 2020 22:46:11 GMT
They are in the minority of British Jewish people, in fact. Only 13% of British Jewish people don't believe Labour has an anti-semitism problem. But a whopping 87% of British Jewish people believe Labour does. As for the Conservative Party, just 13% of British Jewish people believe the Conservatives have an anti-semitism problem. The vast majority of British Jewish people do NOT believe the Conservatives do. Well Boris Johnson is now the Prime Minister of the UK. A man that has made derogatory comments about pretty much every minority here. Be happy with that. Whataboutism. Do you or do you not concede a majority of British Jewish people believe Labour has an anti-semitism problem? British Jewish people believe other parties have an anti-semitism problem, but not to the same extent as Labour. SNP is believed to have such a problem by 42% of British Jewish people, if I recall correctly. It's certainly not a right wing media thing given a variety of left wing publications have said very similar things. Nor is it a media thing in general given that 500 Corbyn Labour allies agreed Labour has an anti-semitism problem.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Feb 12, 2020 23:22:06 GMT
Well Boris Johnson is now the Prime Minister of the UK. A man that has made derogatory comments about pretty much every minority here. Be happy with that. Whataboutism. Do you or do you not concede a majority of British Jewish people believe Labour has an anti-semitism problem? British Jewish people believe other parties have an anti-semitism problem, but not to the same extent as Labour. SNP is believed to have such a problem by 42% of British Jewish people, if I recall correctly. It's certainly not a right wing media thing given a variety of left wing publications have said very similar things. Nor is it a media thing in general given that 500 Corbyn Labour allies agreed Labour has an anti-semitism problem. You're stuck on Jews. controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/Controversybook_eng_1.htmChristians? Muslims? Hindus? Greeks? Amish? Thor?
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Post by pg13 on Feb 13, 2020 10:55:50 GMT
Whataboutism. Do you or do you not concede a majority of British Jewish people believe Labour has an anti-semitism problem? British Jewish people believe other parties have an anti-semitism problem, but not to the same extent as Labour. SNP is believed to have such a problem by 42% of British Jewish people, if I recall correctly. It's certainly not a right wing media thing given a variety of left wing publications have said very similar things. Nor is it a media thing in general given that 500 Corbyn Labour allies agreed Labour has an anti-semitism problem. You're stuck on Jews.ย controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/Controversybook_eng_1.htmChristians? Muslims? Hindus? Greeks? Amish? Thor? I responded to your nonsense that: 1) "The charge against him has come from the right wing press who know full well that they're talking bullshit." 2) "There's more hatred towards Jews in the Conservative party, as well as rampant hatred towards Muslims." Both of which is demonstrably false as shown in the sources already provided. You, on the other hand, remain stuck on Whataboutery. "Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument." Obviously, you're trying to avoid conceding your two points I've highlighted above are nonsense. Attempts to point out any potential hypocrisy in a debate is NOT a valid defense of your own claims that have been undermined by the available sources. ๐
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Post by pg13 on Feb 13, 2020 11:00:31 GMT
Ironic that they weren't bothered by Corbyn's antisemitism. It seems to me that antisemitism is the accepted form of racism on the left these days. Pretty ironic too that Whataboutery is deemed an acceptable way to deflect also. Mostly ironic because Whataboutery never comes close to defending themselves against the issues of anti-semitism. But then it's no surprise when Labourites like to pretend Corbyn was involved in the Northern Ireland peace process. A claim Corbyn didn't himself make. It's quite odd to see the mental gymnastics from those who aren't well versed in that particular issue.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 16, 2020 14:24:35 GMT
Well as a brit living in europe the brexit vote wasnt the best thing!!! But then the huge majority of brits where iam are living here illegally so im taking great delight in seeing all the panic of trying to get legal in time. The spanish taxman is starting to have a field day which always puts a smile on my face!
I can understand why people such as the fishermen voted out as the industry has been pretty much destroyed. But imo unfortunatly those with a valid reason to vote out are in the minority. Immigration was the big issue. And areas with high poverty and unemployment needed someone to blame. Kinda ironic when the only funding alot of these areas got was from the E.U? Its frankly embarrassing to see the sterotypical way some of those who voted out act. Imo there should have never been a ref in the first place. Who knew what the customs union etc etc was before we voted. striaght In or out was stupid as the situation was way to complicated for that as has now been shown. Boris getting elected was based off the election been a second ref. All the people in the north voted for him because of that and nothing else. They were used hook line and sinker by the conservatives who were laughing themselves silly at all the "stupid working class northerners" who have been used as pawns and are daft enough to think the conservatives give two bleep about them.
The media took great delight in the useless way the labour party handled the ant semitism issue. As a half jew (if that excists) the problem imo you have is the hard left who are to stupid to realise you can be anti israelie goverment but not be anti semetic and you have the hard right who call anyone who critizes the israelie goverment anti semitic regardless because in their view you cant be one and not the other. Imo the rabbi should not have spoken before the election that was totally out of order. Religious authorities should not get involved in politics and it was obviously orchestrated. The elephant in the room is always going to be palestine which gives excuses to some to go one step further than just critizing the goverment. But it does work both ways.many members of my jewish side of the family are the most biggoted racist every other ist you can think of. The irony of it is really quite amazing. The conservatives have a problem the same as everyone. But its more about wealth and status for them. Ie you are a black cabinet minister but thats ok because your father was a nigerian multi millionaire and you went to eaton and oxford. Then you are ok. Or you have jewish friends but thats ok as they are loaded and high up the society ladder. Quite a novel thing to show off about with what ive seen interms of family experience
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Post by pg13 on Sept 1, 2020 10:45:16 GMT
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