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Post by MattyJam on Jun 12, 2022 20:27:13 GMT
We'll always have The Lost Children. Stolen from 'The Twilight Zone'. Wasn't that Threatened? |
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Post by TonyR on Jun 12, 2022 21:01:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 21:16:48 GMT
Cough.
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Post by WildStyle on Jun 13, 2022 0:32:13 GMT
Holy crap! I can't believe it. He definitely stole this to make The Lost Children. How could you Michael? |
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Post by kelley on Jun 13, 2022 2:42:52 GMT
Well, the bridge in DSTYGE is entirely different from the rest of the song. Different rhythm, bass... everything. So it's not the same thing at all as improvising over an already written piece of music. It's an entirely seperate and distinct section of music. They are way off on SIM. I don't even have the time to get into all the wrongness there. Nobody is saying Brad wrote the lyrics or performed the beatbox. That's just a ridiculous thing to even state. Its not different. Its built off the horn part (Dun dunnnnn) at the beginning which is already in the Demo(but was played on piano)
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Post by kelley on Jun 13, 2022 2:46:38 GMT
Whats disappointing? Greg improvised 15 seconds that was based on the rest of the song that Michael composed. He did not deserve a writers credit for that.
If you know anything about classical music, many pieces have a spot where the instrumentalist is allowed to improvise for a few bars. it's called a cadenza.
Here is an example of a cadenza that i really like.
Despite this little girls wonderful addition, she is still not a co writer of this piece. Mozart is the sole composer.
Mozart has a few pieces that have very famous cadenzas that are almost always played with them. One of them was composed by Beethoven after Mozarts death. His cadenza is almost always performed with this piece. That still doesn't change the fact that this is Mozart's composition. nobody ever tries to give Beethoven credit for this piece just because his cadenza became a standard part of it. If you notice Beethoven cadenza is built off the rest of the piece. Just like Greg little horn part is based off of the rest of DSTYGE. Improvising on a piece is not the same as composing. Michael let Greg improvise for 15 seconds and now Greg thinks he deserves half the credit for the song. Ridiculous.
I disagree. It's one of the best parts of the song, and one of the best breakdown parts in any MJ song. He deserved a credit IMO, which he was given. It shouldn't have been removed. He definitely deserves a credit more than MJ did for several Invincible tracks. It's hilarious how MJ is credited with Whatever Happens for example. Also, Greg has gotten over it. He did years ago! Thats your opinion, Its not impressive in my opinion, just some horns. The demo version of the song is just as enjoyable without it.
And You don't know why Michael received credit for Whaterver happens. Maybe he didn't even ask for it, maybe the writer wanted him to have credit they same way Michael wanted Teddy to have credit for dangerous which he wrote alone.
You're just casting judgment without even knowing the whole story.
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Post by kelley on Jun 13, 2022 2:57:16 GMT
I disagree. It's one of the best parts of the song, and one of the best breakdown parts in any MJ song. He deserved a credit IMO, which he was given. It shouldn't have been removed. He definitely deserves a credit more than MJ did for several Invincible tracks. It's hilarious how MJ is credited with Whatever Happens for example. Also, Greg has gotten over it. He did years ago! It's equally ridiculous only Michael is credited as songwriter for Centipede, but John Barnes isn't on it. Michael admitted in the Mexico deposition he co-wrote it with John. Yet the liner notes cites Michael Jackson solely. One could say it's politics of some sort, but that's not the point exactly. Saying he wrote with John doesn't necessarily mean John helped compose it. He could have meant that he wrote it with John as in John was the person who played the instruments after Michael dictated the music by singing.
I swear you and some other fonts are seem eager to take credit away from Michael for his music. It's weird.
John Barnes has not even claimed centipede as far as I know.
The idea that Michael took credit just doesn't mesh with his character. he was overly generous with giving credit.
He himself is unccredited in so much stuff, like Rockwell's Somebody's watching you for example. And he never complained or demanded anything from people that he gave his talent to for free.
He gave Lionel credit for We are the world when he wrote most of it himself. He gave teddy Credit for Dangerous when it was mostly his song.
Most of these people making posthumous claims are credited on other songs. So was Michael was just greedy one day and generous the next? Was he bi-polar with his stealing? It makes no sense.
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Post by kelley on Jun 13, 2022 3:00:56 GMT
Between all the songs written by Quincy, Temperton, Brad and Greg... And the dance moves knicked from Astaire, Kelly and Daniels... I'm not sure Jackson had an original bone in his body. Even the black jacket he wore on Motown 25 was his Mum's. Quincy co- wrote 1 song
Temperton co-wrote 6 songs, not a huge dent in Michael's catalouge
Brad didn't write anything Playing a few cords is not writing
Greg didn't write anything.
absurd comment
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Post by kelley on Jun 13, 2022 3:02:12 GMT
Between all the songs written by Quincy, Temperton, Brad and Greg... And the dance moves knicked from Astaire, Kelly and Daniels... I'm not sure Jackson had an original bone in his body. Even the black jacket he wore on Motown 25 was his Mum's. We'll always have The Lost Children. Wow so you agree with that ridiculous comment?
Is this even a fan site?
You're a mod and you're co-signing nonsense.
I guess this forum isn't the place for me.
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Post by kelley on Jun 13, 2022 3:09:27 GMT
what exactly is your point here? I hear no similarity to any of Michael's music. Other than it being a funky 70's song with a bass grove. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 6:18:44 GMT
what exactly is your point here? I hear no similarity to any of Michael's music. Other than it being a funky 70's song with a bass grove. Don't dance and shout about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 6:21:10 GMT
It's equally ridiculous only Michael is credited as songwriter for Centipede, but John Barnes isn't on it. Michael admitted in the Mexico deposition he co-wrote it with John. Yet the liner notes cites Michael Jackson solely. One could say it's politics of some sort, but that's not the point exactly. Saying he wrote with John doesn't necessarily mean John helped compose it. He could have meant that he wrote it with John as in John was the person who played the instruments after Michael dictated the music by singing.
I swear you and some other fonts are seem eager to take credit away from Michael for his music. It's weird.
John Barnes has not even claimed centipede as far as I know.
The idea that Michael took credit just doesn't mesh with his character. he was overly generous with giving credit.
He himself is unccredited in so much stuff, like Rockwell's Somebody's watching you for example. And he never complained or demanded anything from people that he gave his talent to for free.
He gave Lionel credit for We are the world when he wrote most of it himself. He gave teddy Credit for Dangerous when it was mostly his song.
Most of these people making posthumous claims are credited on other songs. So was Michael was just greedy one day and generous the next? Was he bi-polar with his stealing? It makes no sense.
Ok you definitely don't fully understand song writing. Or sarcasm, it seems. Next you'll be saying Elizabeth Taylor doesn't deserve a writing credit for being the literal inspiration for Elizabeth I Love You? Explain THAT one? |
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Post by pg13 on Jun 13, 2022 7:48:23 GMT
It's equally ridiculous only Michael is credited as songwriter for Centipede, but John Barnes isn't on it. Michael admitted in the Mexico deposition he co-wrote it with John. Yet the liner notes cites Michael Jackson solely. One could say it's politics of some sort, but that's not the point exactly. Saying he wrote with John doesn't necessarily mean John helped compose it. He could have meant that he wrote it with John as in John was the person who played the instruments after Michael dictated the music by singing.
I swear you and some other fonts are seem eager to take credit away from Michael for his music. It's weird.
John Barnes has not even claimed centipede as far as I know.
The idea that Michael took credit just doesn't mesh with his character. he was overly generous with giving credit.
He himself is unccredited in so much stuff, like Rockwell's Somebody's watching you for example. And he never complained or demanded anything from people that he gave his talent to for free.
He gave Lionel credit for We are the world when he wrote most of it himself. He gave teddy Credit for Dangerous when it was mostly his song.
Most of these people making posthumous claims are credited on other songs. So was Michael was just greedy one day and generous the next? Was he bi-polar with his stealing? It makes no sense.
You're overeaching here and tying yourself in knots. From the Mexico deposition: "Atty 3: Have you ever written a song called Centipede? MJ: Yes. Atty 3: Do you know when? MJ: I don’t remember. Atty 3: Do you remember what year? MJ: No – co-wrote it.Atty 3: With whom? MJ: With whom? Atty 3: Yes. MJ: John Barnes."Michael was very clear here - Centipede was co-written with John Barnes who did confirm this a few years ago when I briefly asked him. Notice how Michael went on to correct himself? Barnes was not an arranger as you're suggesting. This was one of the things John planned to talk about along with the 2Seas recording sessions in the future. Unfortunately, John was never ready to talk about any of these things in detail because of how he still felt about Michael's passing. In general, if all you've got is speculation and zero evidence, expect to be dismissed without any likewise. |
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Post by pg13 on Jun 13, 2022 7:49:36 GMT
We'll always have The Lost Children. Wow so you agree with that ridiculous comment?
Is this even a fan site?
You're a mod and you're co-signing nonsense.
I guess this forum isn't the place for me.
With your penchant for referring to members as "fonts", perhaps LSA is more your level....🤷♂️ |
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Post by pg13 on Jun 13, 2022 8:07:42 GMT
Between all the songs written by Quincy, Temperton, Brad and Greg... And the dance moves knicked from Astaire, Kelly and Daniels... I'm not sure Jackson had an original bone in his body. Even the black jacket he wore on Motown 25 was his Mum's. You list all that and leave out Armstrong's Moonwalk?! Shame on you - that was the single biggest event of Michael’s career! How could ye?? 😫 🤷♂️ |
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