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Post by Russg on Sept 18, 2023 11:55:54 GMT
A lot of the people who spent time around MJ spoke with delusions of grandeur. I think because MJ so often had lofty ideas (but had the talent and financial backing to achieve most of them) he would encourage others to pursue their dreams, like Wade and Taj etc, but the trouble is, these guys don't have any particular talent, nor the finances to get their projects off the ground and so really all you are left with is someone with an overactive imagination. I wanna be mad, as I donated several times to this, but more than anything, I'm just embarrassed for him at this stage. Exactly. I sometimes have the feeling the Jacksons believe just being related to MJ makes them have unrealistic dreams. When MJ dreamed of releasing the biggest selling album of all time that wasn't delusional because he played in that league where he could have that dream and it wasn't unrealistic. But Taj Jackson, who never made a documentary before, (in fact, I wonder if he ever held a job), who at 50 is a first time documentary maker, talking about it being as huge as the highly successful Michael Jordan documentary and aiming for the same budget is, frankly, ridiculous. He could use a bit more humility, because aiming for a solid, well done documentary would already be enough on his inexperienced plate, rather than aiming for "the greatest ever" because he's a Jackson. Well, he's not Michael Jackson making Thriller. He's just Taj Jackson with zero experience in documentary making. He also seems to hope that whatever he does MJ's name alone would carry it, which is, of course, not the case. There are plenty of MJ documentaries no one cares about. I think it doesn't help that the likes of Taj and Wade had a degree of success in their field in their youth, which neither of them seem to realise was entirely down to the doors MJ opened for them. The fact that he hasn't had a modicum of success in any creative field in almost 30yrs seems completely lost on him. He really does appear to live in cloud coo-coo land. I often wondered how the 3T bros make their living, as none of them appear to have a steady job and any legit money they made back in the day must've dried up long ago. Does Tito give them an allowance? It's all very strange. I personally think expecting humility from a Jackson is a bit much to ask, although it's funny how grounded and down to earth Prince seems, and yet MJs nephew has massive ideas above his station. Make it make sense?!
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 18, 2023 12:02:07 GMT
Serenity now, serenity now….
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Post by ghost on Sept 18, 2023 13:33:12 GMT
Ugh. In the words of your uncle Taj, whatever, whatever, whatever.
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Post by TonyR on Sept 18, 2023 13:48:49 GMT
Ugh. In the words of your uncle Taj, whatever, whatever, whatever. Not his words. He just got himself a songwriting credit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2023 15:39:20 GMT
Ugh. In the words of your uncle Taj, whatever, whatever, whatever. Not his words. He just got himself a songwriting credit. Invincible shade everywhere.
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Post by respect77 on Sept 18, 2023 15:44:12 GMT
Regarding the biopic, Taj said he is not involved and he only saw a very early script before Prince got on board, so it might have changed since. The creators talked to his father, Jackie, Jermaine, Prince, not Taj (for understandable reasons).
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Post by amaya on Sept 18, 2023 23:04:03 GMT
Well this is disappointing... folks another forum were making it sound good. I guess it's all a matter of perspective at this point. Apparently he said something about two entities offering funding but then backing off? I can kinda see that being a legit issue, like, they got hit with pressure to not support it because it's Michael-related and positive and then got cold feet. Still sounds very lofty though. Like Russg said, he probably dreamed big because Michael inspired him to, and he just can't make it work because... well, he's not his uncle. At least he's not suing the estate for money because he blames Michael for his lack of success like a certain someone is. I often wondered how the 3T bros make their living, as none of them appear to have a steady job and any legit money they made back in the day must've dried up long ago. Does Tito give them an allowance? It's all very strange. I actually follow TJ on Instagram and he does his own music now. Not sure how good any of it is or how well it does in terms of chart performance/streams, but at least he's doing something.
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 19, 2023 0:20:07 GMT
This is all such a mess. I’m glad documentaries like Square One and Chasing the Truth exist, but this needs to be made after keeping the promise. I also agree Michael inspired many to dream big
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Post by respect77 on Sept 19, 2023 3:35:46 GMT
Well this is disappointing... folks another forum were making it sound good. I guess it's all a matter of perspective at this point. Apparently he said something about two entities offering funding but then backing off? I can kinda see that being a legit issue, like, they got hit with pressure to not support it because it's Michael-related and positive and then got cold feet. I'm not sure if it's a case of getting cold feet or them seeing Taj's lack of progress/vision and stepping back because of that or them simply being crooks who promise something without backing it up. Knowing the Jacksons nativity and constant association with and being taken advantage by crooks it wouldn't be surprising either. But I also wouldn't blame any financial backer who stepped back because of Taj's lack of progress, realizing that he's more fantasy than action. Since we don't see TJ's music setting the charts or streaming platforms afire, I doubt it's something he can make a living of. TJ and his wife have a podcast, I don't know how that one is doing in terms of views but if they have a couple of tens of thousands of regular viewers they might make some money with that. But overall, my assumption is that much of the family lives off of MJ's Estate. Katherine gets her allowance, of course, and she sometimes gets loans from them too, which I doubt she ever repays. At the age of 90-something I doubt her financial needs are that much, she's probably allocating all that money to her family members, children, grandchildren. Some have direct jobs with the Estate, like Jackie being in some sort of advisor role, I think. TJ I think got allowance for being the guardian of PPB, maybe he still gets something as an "advisor" or something. I personally don't think any of these "advisor" etc roles are real roles, I think it's a way to give the family money. Jackie, Marlon, Tito and Taryll have been touring until recently (maybe they still do) so I think they make some money with that too. The fact they need to tour at this age tells me they are maybe struggling for money a bit. A couple of years ago there was a reality show with Taryll and his wife and Taryll was still trying to make music, but like TJ I doubt he makes the type of money with it that can pay his bills. Taj also defines himself as a musician, I think, but when was the last time he made music? I think they make some money with reality shows, like the one I mentioned above. Or do you remember that lawsuit 3T started against Radar Online a couple of years ago for suggesting MJ molested them? We never got any news about what happened with that. My suspicion is that 3T quietly settled with them rather than pushing them for a public apology. If that assumption is true then they might have made some money with that too. And this will be a bit ugly, but I'm not at all sure Taj didn't spend the money he got from fans for his documentary on his family bills. I'm pretty sure the Jacksons royalties are not enough to keep the family afloat.
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Post by WildStyle on Sept 19, 2023 3:43:53 GMT
"Anything" is a 90's R&B classic, so maybe the royalties from that aren't too shabby, but who knows?
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Post by respect77 on Sept 19, 2023 3:55:57 GMT
"Anything" is a 90's R&B classic, so maybe the royalties from that aren't too shabby, but who knows? From one song that was a minor hit? I doubt it.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Sept 19, 2023 7:24:33 GMT
I never understood why fans donated to this docu from the beginning. You have average joe bloggs fans donating tens or more of their £€$ to a person/family who are supposedly celebs with money. Who play the role whatever that maybe. Yet cant fund a docu themselves inorder to support mj but as always go to the very people that always defended MJ for free inorder to get money. Jacksons going to MJ fans asking them to pay when they are”jacksons” did taj ever ask janet for funding as shes supposedly a multi millionaire. Or didnt even bother asking because its not like shes bothered about defending let along putting money into it something about MJ. Maybe to many fans have rose tinted glasses or dont mind their money going to other things as theres no way to know what its used for
Many of the younger jacksons are “musicians” but most of the time that appears just a cover for doing nothing as they have no success inorder to maintain a lifestyle and as respect says we all known the amount of money katherine gets and its not rocket science to know she doesnt need that sort of money. The bothers have been doing shows in Europe so making some money but whether thats much after costs etc? I remember several years ago tj was working in real estate as an agent. But he fell on his feet when he got the role from the estate helping with the kids for a large amount of $
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Post by respect77 on Sept 19, 2023 8:22:07 GMT
I never understood why fans donated to this docu from the beginning. You have average joe bloggs fans donating tens or more of their £€$ to a person/family who are supposedly celebs with money. Who play the role whatever that maybe. Yet cant fund a docu themselves inorder to support mj but as always go to the very people that always defended MJ for free inorder to get money. Jacksons going to MJ fans asking them to pay when they are”jacksons” did taj ever ask janet for funding as shes supposedly a multi millionaire. Or didnt even bother asking because its not like shes bothered about defending let along putting money into it something about MJ. Maybe to many fans have rose tinted glasses or dont mind their money going to other things as theres no way to know what its used for I think a lot of us fans at the time were desperate for some sort of rebuttal in the face of the massive LN campaign and Taj was offering the only possibility for that. I'm not saying I gave my money to him with 100 percent trust, I knew his lack of experience was a risk, but I wanted to believe. I hoped that he's pissed enough to stay motivated. And first he probably was motivated but then it evaporated. The annoying thing about this all is, that fans already did the heavy lifting for him. Not just the money they donated, but all the defense material they put together through the years. Imagine if Taj just had to start it from scratch, but he didn't even have to do that! It's all there on a silver plate, he just has to piece it together in a way that's fit for telling in a documentary. And with all that good will and research provided to him on a plate, he's still failing, as things look now.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Sept 19, 2023 8:33:56 GMT
i can understand fans wanting a rebuttal but i guess im one of those fans who have always been suspicious of the motives of the family. I don't doubt for one min taj had good motives(the 3ts have always had mjs back compared to others in the family) but why ask the fans to fund it.its like passing the book .especially when they supposedly have money ,janet etc They are his family so maybe its something they can do for mj for once but even then they would rather us do it. To me it jist sums up the families relationship with mj And to appear to be so blasé when you have so much of other peoples money is quite something. Like you said visons of grandeur
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 12:35:35 GMT
Lack of experience or whatever, Taj is just an asshole now at this stage. As others have said, good intentions or not this completely plays up to the "Jackson family only ever want to make money off MJs name" shtick.
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