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Post by respect77 on Feb 12, 2024 6:31:14 GMT
I think the point of USA For Africa was to bring the biggest celebrities in music together for a good cause. It makes no sense to give Sheila E. a solo when Tina Turner and Cyndi Lauper are right there. Actually, she was huge that time, and is considered a legend in her own right. Maybe you’re too young to remember that? Latoya was in it too, and she has no hits! No, Sheila E wasn't a legend in 1985. She had one album that peaked at #28 and was written by Prince. I know she was a drummer and session musician mainly in jazz, but she was far from being a legend. Unless we have very different concepts about what a legend is. We are not talking about LaToya here because LaToya is not complaining that she didn’t get a solo and no one argues that she's a legend.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 12, 2024 6:35:12 GMT
I think the point of USA For Africa was to bring the biggest celebrities in music together for a good cause. It makes no sense to give Sheila E. a solo when Tina Turner and Cyndi Lauper are right there. Actually, she was huge that time, and is considered a legend in her own right. Maybe you’re too young to remember that? Latoya was in it too, and she has no hits! An album at 28 in the charts in 1985 and you say Sheila was "huge at that time"?! 🙈 Sheila had the same level of involvement as LaToya - singing the chorus bit as a whole group. Neither had a hope in hell of getting a solo spot!
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Post by butterflies2 on Feb 12, 2024 6:45:21 GMT
Sounds like we have different opinions on successful black artists (Sheila is mixed race) so let’s agree to disagree from here
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Post by SoCav on Feb 12, 2024 6:45:45 GMT
I think she seemed pretty humble in the documentary, saying how she was amazed to be among those legends and couldn't believe it when she was promised a line in the verse.
I think her frustration is understandable if she was promised a line as she claims, and then constantly asked about phoning Prince during the night. Then it's not so much about thinking you 'deserve' this and that, but simply about feeling pressured and like a pawn in a ploy to get Prince over there.
Of course she didn't have a 'right' to a line in a verse given her status. But it's not like she'd have been the only one whose role was bigger than you'd expect on the basis of their status. Kim Carnes isn't James Brown either. James Ingram is one of the most featured artists on the song (verse line + ad-libs). I like him, he was a great singer, but let's be honest - he was only given that because of his close association with Quincy.
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Post by pg13 on Feb 12, 2024 6:46:07 GMT
Sheila E's album charting in the USA in the 1980s in order of release:
28
50
56
146
Just.....moderate success. Definitely not a huge act at the time by any stretch. 🙄
Of course, Prince was a bigger draw and you can't blame Q & Co for seeing if she could persuade him to come in to record a part.
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Post by butterflies2 on Feb 12, 2024 7:11:56 GMT
Prince charted low too sometimes, and he is considered a legend. Keep posting your stats, but I don’t care for them like before
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Post by respect77 on Feb 12, 2024 7:14:55 GMT
Prince charted low too sometimes, and he is considered a legend. Keep posting your stats, but I don’t care for them like before There's a difference between charting low sometimes and never charting high. You can appreciate Sheila's talent, but she was not a legend in 1985. Words have meanings. Not every talented musician is a legend.
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Post by butterflies2 on Feb 12, 2024 7:19:56 GMT
Prince charted low too sometimes, and he is considered a legend. Keep posting your stats, but I don’t care for them like before There's a difference between charting low sometimes and never charting high. You can appreciate Sheila's talent, but she was not a legend in 1985. Words have meanings. Not every talented musician is a legend. She wasn’t seen as a legend then but was still popular, but she is now iconic. And like I said, I know someone who knows her and has worked with her
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Post by pg13 on Feb 12, 2024 8:03:31 GMT
Prince charted low too sometimes, and he is considered a legend. Keep posting your stats, but I don’t care for them like before It undermines your own argument she was "huge at the time". As for Prince, he'd just had the massive selling Purple Rain album! He clearly had way more than just moderate success and he was a big star in 1985! Your argument is full of holes like Swiss cheese, but not as good. 🙈 Prince's albums peak 1984 to end of decade: 1 1 3 6 11 1 That's a good run of established success which Sheila E never had. 🤷♂️
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Post by Michaels Lover on Feb 12, 2024 9:25:11 GMT
There's a difference between charting low sometimes and never charting high. You can appreciate Sheila's talent, but she was not a legend in 1985. Words have meanings. Not every talented musician is a legend. And like I said, I know someone who knows her and has worked with her What does that have to do with anything?
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Post by butterflies2 on Feb 12, 2024 15:09:37 GMT
And like I said, I know someone who knows her and has worked with her What does that have to do with anything? m Oh shut up
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Post by Michaels Lover on Feb 12, 2024 16:01:59 GMT
What does that have to do with anything? m Oh shut up u mad?
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Post by butterflies2 on Feb 12, 2024 16:38:49 GMT
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 12, 2024 20:45:59 GMT
Sheila e is actually pretty nice, I know somebody who knows her. She was justified in feeling used cause of Prince’s popularity. It’s not like she blamed Michael for it, more like the industry politics, and he ended up on a seperate track on the single anyways. Yeah I agree. She’s not A-list but she was definitely justified in feeling used. I appreciated her honesty. Christ, we’ve all felt used at one time or another. Pretty horrible feeling. I’m glad the director left it in. It gave the story another angle.
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 12, 2024 20:46:51 GMT
She’s not mad, she’s Bad!
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