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Post by jaywonder on Jan 4, 2018 2:34:28 GMT
That wasn't the only time he threw a jab at Prince. At the Golden Globes in 2007, Prince was stuck in traffic and wasn't there to recieve his award so Justin kneeled down to mock Prince's height and his voice. Funny enough, when Prince got there, Hugh Grant made it his point to acknowledge Prince and asked him to stand up, to which the entire room gave him a standing ovation Justin's been a douchebag but it's covered up by his "charm" www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGwDmOzA1iowww.youtube.com/watch?v=ymAxRqJqkqI |
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Post by Snow White on Jan 4, 2018 2:57:22 GMT
That wasn't charming, he's a lame cheap, asshole who doesn't have respect for the greats. I'm not even a Prince fan but that was insulting to see.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 4, 2018 4:59:15 GMT
Oh yes, that too. And I understand for Prince his height was a sensitive spot. You just don't make of fun if things like that. It's a douche thing to do indeed.
I agree with Matty about how arrogant he is to think he's on the same level as Prince or even Janet. Show some respect to the artists you spent a career ripping off.
I agree that I can't see Prince or MJ doing that to James Brown or any of their idols. And the joke is on JT because he is a lightweight compared to these people he disrespects.
Timbaland and him are a good match, considering how arrogant he too was with MJ in that Xscape documentary. Then he declares himself and Justin the new Quincy and Michael. In your dreams. LOL.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Jan 4, 2018 6:07:33 GMT
His popularity is a mystery to me, and I remember watching an interview with him on Parkinson (British talkshow host) and I was quite shocked by how dim he came across. He really doesn't seem like the sharpest knife in the rack.
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 4, 2018 9:17:30 GMT
His popularity is a mystery to me, and I remember watching an interview with him on Parkinson (British talkshow host) and I was quite shocked by how dim he came across. He really doesn't seem like the sharpest knife in the rack. I mean the biggest reason is he has constantly and consistently put out big hits over the years, plus he's had very few big scandals. The biggest is likely the Superbowl thing, but even then people who care are split on whether it was staged or not. He hasn't had (or been portrayed as having) any absurd behavioural problems so there's no reason for people to judge him negatively for that either. Dude has great PR team too no doubt. I mean these things you people here are criticising him for, I've never heard of most of these and I can't imagine they're that well known in the public conscience. Combine all of this with his charm and the fact he has many great hits under his name over the years, he's going to be heavily popular. Least that's how I see it? |
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 4, 2018 10:53:13 GMT
His popularity is a mystery to me, and I remember watching an interview with him on Parkinson (British talkshow host) and I was quite shocked by how dim he came across. He really doesn't seem like the sharpest knife in the rack. I mean the biggest reason is he has constantly and consistently put out big hits over the years, plus he's had very few big scandals. The biggest is likely the Superbowl thing, but even then people who care are split on whether it was staged or not. He hasn't had (or been portrayed as having) any absurd behavioural problems so there's no reason for people to judge him negatively for that either. Dude has great PR team too no doubt. I mean these things you people here are criticising him for, I've never heard of most of these and I can't imagine they're that well known in the public conscience. Combine all of this with his charm and the fact he has many great hits under his name over the years, he's going to be heavily popular. Least that's how I see it? He has hits because the industry decides he has hits. I don't think it really speaks to the quality of his work, which is at best, mediocre. There are dozens of far better pop/funk/R&B songs scattered on any random Prince or Van Hunt album from 2000-2016, songs which would've been far more deserving of becoming a hit, and no doubt would've received a tonne of airplay and industry backing if they had be sung by Justin. With the exception of Sexyback, all his songs sound boybandish to me. |
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 4, 2018 12:12:12 GMT
I mean the biggest reason is he has constantly and consistently put out big hits over the years, plus he's had very few big scandals. The biggest is likely the Superbowl thing, but even then people who care are split on whether it was staged or not. He hasn't had (or been portrayed as having) any absurd behavioural problems so there's no reason for people to judge him negatively for that either. Dude has great PR team too no doubt. I mean these things you people here are criticising him for, I've never heard of most of these and I can't imagine they're that well known in the public conscience. Combine all of this with his charm and the fact he has many great hits under his name over the years, he's going to be heavily popular. Least that's how I see it? He has hits because the industry decides he has hits. I don't think it really speaks to the quality of his work, which is at best, mediocre. There are dozens of far better pop/funk/R&B songs scattered on any random Prince or Van Hunt album from 2000-2016, songs which would've been far more deserving of becoming a hit, and no doubt would've received a tonne of airplay and industry backing if they had be sung by Justin. With the exception of Sexyback, all his songs sound boybandish to me. Sure, but in addition it's evident the general public still likes his output and how he conducts himself enough to support his work and help have him be as popular as he is. |
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 4, 2018 12:47:54 GMT
He has hits because the industry decides he has hits. I don't think it really speaks to the quality of his work, which is at best, mediocre. There are dozens of far better pop/funk/R&B songs scattered on any random Prince or Van Hunt album from 2000-2016, songs which would've been far more deserving of becoming a hit, and no doubt would've received a tonne of airplay and industry backing if they had be sung by Justin. With the exception of Sexyback, all his songs sound boybandish to me. Sure, but it's evident the general public still likes his output and how he conducts himself enough to support his work and have him at the popularity he is. Only because the general public are too lazy to look beyond whatever music is fed to them by the mainstream media and corporate radio. Anything will sell if its marketed heavily enough to the correct demographic. The fact that JT's music sells is not an indication of a quality product. For the most part, the kind of people who would buy tickets to a JT concert are the kind of people who listen to whatever is popular in the charts at any given time, and have little knowledge of the history of popular music or the artists Justin is ripping off. My cousin went to a JT show when he last toured the UK, and she is exactly the kind of demographic I am referring to. She doesn't listen to MJ or Prince or any artists pre-2010, because they aren't "current" or played on the radio. But she thinks JT is the bees knees. Funnily enough, after she told me about seeing Justin in concert I happened to mention that I was going to see Tori Amos soon and she didn't even know who she was. I don't mean to come across as condescending or a music snob, but I'm just being honest in identifying the kind of people who I believe largely make up JT's fanbase. I don't believe for one second that in 50 years time, when Justin has passed, there will be message boards devoted to him and hardcore fans salivating at the prospect of posthumously released JT outtakes, put it that way. |
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Post by Russg on Jan 4, 2018 13:09:23 GMT
I don't mean to come across as condescending or a music snob No offense Matty, but you've failed there.
I own all of Justin's albums and do not fit in to your demographic, as I listen to music from the 70s,80s,90s,00s and 10s.
Justin Timberlake always seems to be a contentious artist on MJ message boards, which I find odd, seeing as how he has never once slagged MJ off or said anything less than respectful towards MJ. The way MJ fans react is as if Justin should bow down in reverence to MJ at every possible opportunity. Sure, he was inspired by him, especially early on his career, and he never denied that. But he has gone on to carve out a decent career for himself in his own right and probably doesn't always want to be seen as someone who is in the shadow of MJ.
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 4, 2018 14:07:45 GMT
Funnily enough, after she told me about seeing Justin in concert I happened to mention that I was going to see Tori Amos soon and she didn't even know who she was. Though to be fair Matty, I don't even know Tori Amos is and I'm absolutely not someone who only listens to chart music. With all due respect as well, you did come off pretty snobby in your post. |
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Post by respect77 on Jan 4, 2018 14:13:33 GMT
I didn't see anyone here say that JT has to bow down to MJ. For most of this thread it was his disrespect to other artists (Prince, Janet) that was discussed. And I'm sorry respect towards the artists who inspired you is not "bowing down". Or at the very minimum don't disrespect them. How is that wanting him to bow down?
And if Matty is wrong about the demographic that likes JT then you are also very much wrong in suggesting that this criticism of JT comes mostly from MJ fans. I've seen many similar comments about him on LSA (not in its MJ forum). I can assure you not only MJ fans see him as a phoney.
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 4, 2018 14:22:22 GMT
I didn't see anyone here say that JT has to bow down to MJ. For most of this thread it was his disrespect to other artists (Prince, Janet) that was discussed. And I'm sorry respect towards the artists who inspired you is not "bowing down". Or at the very minimum don't disrespect them. How is that wanting him to bow down? I can't speak for Russg, but I get what (s)he is saying. It's not so much isolated to this specific thread, but more so in general whenever Justin Timberlake has been brought up on MJ forums. For me, I very often see MJ fans criticising him because he hasn't pay his respects towards Michael Jackson, which isn't true because he has done so many times over the years. Sometimes some MJ fans will say "Oh he only started doing it after MJ died!" which also isn't true because I've seen footage of him praising Michael years before he died, in 2006 or so. |
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Post by Snow White on Jan 4, 2018 14:44:24 GMT
I put Bruno Mars as an example how he's respectful and humble to accept Michael is a heavy influence on his work, he didn't bow down.
JTs recent album or the previous one has songs that pretty much sound like the Off The Wall one but he's denied ripping off Michael Jackson or acknowledge him as an influence.
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Post by Snow White on Jan 4, 2018 14:57:47 GMT
And on the Justified and Sexyback days I saw him quite happy to embrace the media calling him "the new King of Pop." I know many of the new successful acts are constantly called that but the difference is that JT happily embraced it. He will always be just an usurper.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 4, 2018 15:00:10 GMT
I didn't see anyone here say that JT has to bow down to MJ. For most of this thread it was his disrespect to other artists (Prince, Janet) that was discussed. And I'm sorry respect towards the artists who inspired you is not "bowing down". Or at the very minimum don't disrespect them. How is that wanting him to bow down? I can't speak for Russg, but I get what (s)he is saying. It's not so much isolated to this specific thread, but more so in general whenever Justin Timberlake has been brought up on MJ forums. For me, I very often see MJ fans criticising him because he hasn't pay his respects towards Michael Jackson, which isn't true because he has done so many times over the years. Sometimes some MJ fans will say "Oh he only started doing it after MJ died!" which also isn't true because I've seen footage of him praising Michael years before he died, in 2006 or so. I feel the purpose of trying to turn it into an "MJ fans' issue" is to minimize any (IMO) valid criticism towards this man as just some sort of pettiness or jealousy by MJ fans. The reality is, however, that no, it isn't only an MJ fans' issue. See the reactions to the same article on LSA, for example: www.lipstickalley.com/threads/justin-timberlake-is-rebranding-as-a-white-man.1378679/There are many similar reactions to him on Twitter as well. Whether you agree with that criticism or not is not the point here, but the point is that it is futile to act like only MJ fans have an issue with him because it is simply not true. JT has been criticized by a wide variety of people for his disrespect towards black artists while appropriating their music and and having his white privilege, and also for his fakeness. Again, whether you personally agree or disagree with that perception of him is one thing, but this perception surely is not only MJ fans'. |
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