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Post by MattyJam on Jan 12, 2018 21:08:11 GMT
I haven’t heard it and am proud to say I have no desire to. Not even a passing interest. I don’t need to sample economy meat to know that it tastes nasty and is a poor substitute for the real thing. So you enjoying this JT thread?? 😂😂 Honestly, you are crossing between here and that parallel universe! Shouldn't you give it atleast one listen in order to have an opinion? Why? I have based my opinion on JT's music on the many songs I have been exposed to since his career began. I have heard nothing from his past work that has made me feel invested to actively seek out his new releases. There's far too much great music out there that I don't get the time to listen to, without subjecting myself to his unique brand of diluted MJ-lite dross. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 12, 2018 21:59:59 GMT
^ Bit harsh! I'm not even a JT fan (bar a few early songs) like I said originally said. And I brought up Trump because that's how conversations go, they evolve. Rather than everyone saying the same points, different factors and issues in a similar genre are brought up as comparables. I'm not saying you or others should change your view; it's just debate isn't it? Otherwise every thread from Invincible to JT to Weinstein would be us all saying the same thing! Actually I was addressing most of that to aazzaabb who was the one who seemed to have lost patience with the fact that we have different opinions about JT and that we are not all saying the same thing about him. I mean: Why should we not comment on the guy if we don't like him? That sounds like he only wants people to comment on him if they like him and have only rosy things to say about him. That's how it came accross, anyway. My issue with your post is simply, that you twisted me saying JT has white male privilege into me saying JT was a racist. I never said that. So your point about whether there are bigger racists in the world than JT, or about H&M or the #metoo campaign pretty much moot. I never called him a racist and I never called him a sexist either. Just like I don't think Elvis was a racist. That doesn't change the fact he enjoyed the benefits of white privilege. The same can be said about JT. That's not their fault in itself. But when one of them then flaunts that white male privilege the way JT did in these lyrics (whether out of ignorance or arrogance), I am sorry, but people are entitled to feel antipathy about that. I didn't mean to insinuate you were a racist respect77. The race issue has been brought up by another member and really I'm just wanting to demonstrate that a lot of us can be victims of racism. We're not all living some uber white privileged lifestyle. Of course we are afforded preferential treatment based on our skin colour alone which is just descustingly beyoned wrong, but when a member says "white people will never understand" it generalises and puts us all in one box which isint accurate and actually it's a little offensive. Obviously my own experience of racism is nowhere near the level of what many in the black community go through, but we can all experience elements of abuse. I lost patience? Probably a little bit, not so much with you, but with the debate overall. I suppose there's bigger more important things happening in the world and coming here debating this seems a little irrelevant in comparison. I wouldn't describe myself as a big fan of Timberlake, more a fan of some of the tracks he released in the past. As I've said before I think he's a mediocre talent propelled by his team but I'm not willing to hold a punk ass move against him for all eternity. Incidentally, I do wonder how many MJ fans who hate the guts of JT were singing along to Love Never Felt So Good when it was quite a big hit for MJ. The Trump thing was brought up as an example of perspective. It beggers belief that this person is the leader of the free world and be such an in-your-face racist but we're all hot and bothered over what JT did to Janet Jackson 15 years ago. I just don't see how he's the soul responsibility of what happened. The media -the same people who will orchestrate the JT backlash- played a massive part. Was he a weasel not to stand up for her? Yes. But- he would have had an entire team advising him to distance himself from it. Of course it's damaged him more in the long run and perhaps if he could go back he would do things differently, I would have to imagine as hindsight can be that disingenuous thing that people use unfairly to judge people in the present with. Without wanting to go down another road, I'm sure MJ would have not taken the advice of his team with paying off the Chandler's in 93 but you know, he was in a different headspace at that time, probably confused and frightened. As for those lyrics, I don't know. They're definitely written about Janet?? If so then thats worse than nipplegate as it was a deliberate low blow. But I don't know so I'm not in a position to judge it. Anyways, appollogies if I lost patience. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 12, 2018 22:02:35 GMT
So you enjoying this JT thread?? 😂😂 Honestly, you are crossing between here and that parallel universe! Shouldn't you give it atleast one listen in order to have an opinion? Why? I have based my opinion on JT's music on the many songs I have been exposed to since his career began. I have heard nothing from his past work that has made me feel invested to actively seek out his new releases. There's far too much great music out there that I don't get the time to listen to, without subjecting myself to his unique brand of diluted MJ-lite dross. Fair enough fellah. I'm calling it quits on this JT thread now as it's sucking the life out of me. Peace out. |
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 12, 2018 22:24:17 GMT
^^ Have I made it clear yet that I’m not a fan? Lol  |
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Post by jaywonder on Jan 12, 2018 22:45:58 GMT
I'm bored with Timberlake AND I hate Trump
I can multitask lol
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 13, 2018 0:37:34 GMT
If he is really not aware why he was given a different treatment than Janet by the media and the industry - or at the very least doesn't give it a thought that at least partially that might have been a reason - then he is very dumb. If he is aware and despite of that he chose to rap those lyrics then he is extremely insensitive and arrogant. I don't know which is worse. And you don't have to be a Janet fan to see how fucked up those lyrics are coming from JT. A while after the song was recorded and released, he did discuss in an interview that he didn't get why everyone made such a big deal of the actual incident itself, and agreed that he should’ve got more flak (saying he thinks he only got 10% of what Janet got), and that American society is unfairly harsh on women and ethnic people. Not that it clears of him wrongdoing in regards to the verse, but at least he's come to realise the real issues at hand. Shame he seemingly hadn't before recording it. The Trump thing was brought up as an example of perspective. It beggers belief that this person is the leader of the free world and be such an in-your-face racist but we're all hot and bothered over what JT did to Janet Jackson 15 years ago. I just don't see how he's the soul responsibility of what happened. The media -the same people who will orchestrate the JT backlash- played a massive part. Was he a weasel not to stand up for her? Yes. But- he would have had an entire team advising him to distance himself from it. Yeah I have to agree. And honestly, him saying something wouldn't stop the media at all. It wouldn't whitelist her music, it wouldn't give her back her performances, etc etc. The issues that Janet faced were much, much bigger than Justin Timberlake. The media are the ones who orchestrated all this, blew it completely out of proportion and thus are the ones that should get the majority of the blame. |
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 13, 2018 0:44:30 GMT
Why? I have based my opinion on JT's music on the many songs I have been exposed to since his career began. I have heard nothing from his past work that has made me feel invested to actively seek out his new releases. There's far too much great music out there that I don't get the time to listen to, without subjecting myself to his unique brand of diluted MJ-lite dross. You'd have more time to seek these out if you didn't spend so much time writing posts about artists you actively dislike |
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 13, 2018 4:57:12 GMT
Why? I have based my opinion on JT's music on the many songs I have been exposed to since his career began. I have heard nothing from his past work that has made me feel invested to actively seek out his new releases. There's far too much great music out there that I don't get the time to listen to, without subjecting myself to his unique brand of diluted MJ-lite dross. You'd have more time to seek these out if you didn't spend so much time writing posts about artists you actively dislike Smartass. |
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Post by respect77 on Jan 13, 2018 6:36:05 GMT
Sure, guys, there are bigger issues in this world than what JT sang about 10-15 years ago. But this thread is about him, so of course we are going to discuss him here and not Trump's racism or any of those bigger issues. There are bigger issues in this world than Michael Jackson or popular music, yet we are here in this forum dedicated to him. So I am not sure why we cannot discuss issues just because there are bigger issues in the world. This thread is about JT.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 13, 2018 6:38:11 GMT
If he is really not aware why he was given a different treatment than Janet by the media and the industry - or at the very least doesn't give it a thought that at least partially that might have been a reason - then he is very dumb. If he is aware and despite of that he chose to rap those lyrics then he is extremely insensitive and arrogant. I don't know which is worse. And you don't have to be a Janet fan to see how fucked up those lyrics are coming from JT. A while after the song was recorded and released, he did discuss in an interview that he didn't get why everyone made such a big deal of the actual incident itself, and agreed that he should’ve got more flak (saying he thinks he only got 10% of what Janet got), and that American society is unfairly harsh on women and ethnic people. Not that it clears of him wrongdoing in regards to the verse, but at least he's come to realise the real issues at hand. Shame he seemingly hadn't before recording it. It is good if he eventually acknowledged it that it was wrong. Now, the next step would be to have Janet as a guest at the SB.  |
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 13, 2018 8:08:55 GMT
A while after the song was recorded and released, he did discuss in an interview that he didn't get why everyone made such a big deal of the actual incident itself, and agreed that he should’ve got more flak (saying he thinks he only got 10% of what Janet got), and that American society is unfairly harsh on women and ethnic people. Not that it clears of him wrongdoing in regards to the verse, but at least he's come to realise the real issues at hand. Shame he seemingly hadn't before recording it. It is good if he eventually acknowledged it that it was wrong. Now, the next step would be to have Janet as a guest at the SB. I think it's everyone secret desire that Janet suddenly appears out of nowhere at the Superbowl and they duet again haha. |
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Post by funksoldier on Jan 13, 2018 20:14:01 GMT
I never liked him anyway  |
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Post by respect77 on Jan 14, 2018 6:49:08 GMT
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Post by Snow White on Jan 14, 2018 7:00:11 GMT
I'm not even a Prince fan but I totally understand why they aren't happy. Timberfake has said he's influenced by Prince, yet he wrote petty lyrics about him and mocked his voice and height, a douchebag disrespectful thing childish bullies would do.
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Post by funksoldier on Jan 14, 2018 19:42:40 GMT
I'm not even a Prince fan but I totally understand why they aren't happy. Timberfake has said he's influenced by Prince, yet he wrote petty lyrics about him and mocked his voice and height, a douchebag disrespectful thing childish bullies would do. Wow what an asshat |
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