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Post by MattyJam on Jan 7, 2018 8:54:29 GMT
I won't spoil anything for you in case you do read it, but she does cover her second pregnancy. She also talks a lot about how much his music meant to her at that time, she singles out the song "Comeback" which she said was written about their son. They did very much seem in love. I think if anything, I didn't realise quite how much of a muse she was to Prince from 92-98 before things turned sour. She was a huge part of his life in those years and albums like Love Symbol and Emancipation would've been drastically different if they had never met. Yeah she inspired two -imho- great albums. Sure Emancipation is a bit overblown but there's some great tracks on it. Do you think Prince was unable to accept certain truths about life? The death of his child and appearing on stage at Paisley Park days before he died as if he wasn't ill. Although he seemed to except it I guess by seeking help. It's weird but sometimes I still can't believe he's actually gone, like I have these very jarring sudden moments of hard reality that this is now a post-Prince world. I think you've hit the nail on the head, tbh. There's a great scene in the book after they've divorced, where she's chatting to him on the phone and he keeps banging on about not counting time and about how he doesn't age because of it. She changes the subject but he continues to talk about it and she snaps back at him, with something like (I'm paraphrasing here): "Get over it. You're a human being just like the rest of us and you age just the same as everybody else." It was quite unusual for her to talk to him in this way, but I think by that point she was done pandering to him. I think he definitely had a hard time accepting the reality of certain aspects of life in general. It sounds to me as if he was in denial about the ageing process, and I think he also struggled with showing any signs of normal human weakness. Mayte says in the book how he always had to be made up "just-so" and how she once turned up to Paisley on a day off in tracksuit bottoms and he sent her home to get changed. I don't think there was a clear distinction in his life between Prince - the performer and Prince - the human being and ultimately I think this led to his undoing. I guess that's the trouble when you devote your entire life to your art the way he did, there's very little left in the way of a personal life and you end up surrounded by people on the payroll and yes-men who refuse to tell you the hard truths. I remember Madonna once commenting on the difference between her and Prince/MJ, and she mentioned how Prince/MJ both built walls around themselves and shut other people out, whereas she never did that and wanted to be in touch with reality. There is no doubt in my mind that with both Paisley Park and Neverland, Prince and MJ created their own realities, where what they said goes, and in doing so, they isolated themselves from the outside world and made themselves vulnerable to being surrounded by the wrong sorts of people. I still have moments where I can't believe he's actually gone. It was different to when we lost MJ, that just hit me over the head like a tonne of bricks and completely floored me. With Prince, it's more like I have these little moments here and there where I realise all over again that he's gone and he's not coming back. Such a tragedy to lose him at such a young age, but like MJ, it feels weirdly inevitable in retrospect.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 7, 2018 20:26:44 GMT
Yeah she inspired two -imho- great albums. Sure Emancipation is a bit overblown but there's some great tracks on it. Do you think Prince was unable to accept certain truths about life? The death of his child and appearing on stage at Paisley Park days before he died as if he wasn't ill. Although he seemed to except it I guess by seeking help. It's weird but sometimes I still can't believe he's actually gone, like I have these very jarring sudden moments of hard reality that this is now a post-Prince world. I think you've hit the nail on the head, tbh. There's a great scene in the book after they've divorced, where she's chatting to him on the phone and he keeps banging on about not counting time and about how he doesn't age because of it. She changes the subject but he continues to talk about it and she snaps back at him, with something like (I'm paraphrasing here): "Get over it. You're a human being just like the rest of us and you age just the same as everybody else." It was quite unusual for her to talk to him in this way, but I think by that point she was done pandering to him. I think he definitely had a hard time accepting the reality of certain aspects of life in general. It sounds to me as if he was in denial about the ageing process, and I think he also struggled with showing any signs of normal human weakness. Mayte says in the book how he always had to be made up "just-so" and how she once turned up to Paisley on a day off in tracksuit bottoms and he sent her home to get changed. I don't think there was a clear distinction in his life between Prince - the performer and Prince - the human being and ultimately I think this led to his undoing. I guess that's the trouble when you devote your entire life to your art the way he did, there's very little left in the way of a personal life and you end up surrounded by people on the payroll and yes-men who refuse to tell you the hard truths. I remember Madonna once commenting on the difference between her and Prince/MJ, and she mentioned how Prince/MJ both built walls around themselves and shut other people out, whereas she never did that and wanted to be in touch with reality. There is no doubt in my mind that with both Paisley Park and Neverland, Prince and MJ created their own realities, where what they said goes, and in doing so, they isolated themselves from the outside world and made themselves vulnerable to being surrounded by the wrong sorts of people. I still have moments where I can't believe he's actually gone. It was different to when we lost MJ, that just hit me over the head like a tonne of bricks and completely floored me. With Prince, it's more like I have these little moments here and there where I realise all over again that he's gone and he's not coming back. Such a tragedy to lose him at such a young age, but like MJ, it feels weirdly inevitable in retrospect. Amazing post. I'm the same regarding MJ and Prince's death's; MJ was a ton of bricks and the greif was all at once and it hurt like fuck for an age, eventually I came to terms with it, Prince is like constant sudden moments of harsh reality. And yes, in retrospect you wonder how either of them sustained such lifestyles for so long. Yes men, denial, unable to admit to themselves and the world that they had frailties.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 10, 2018 2:30:49 GMT
Prince's official YouTube channel now has 68 music videos! So many of them I'd never seen. So many great songs on there now that previously hadn't been available. They really need to sort out the NPG and none Warner albums also as many of these songs on YouTube -for example The Greatest Romance and The Most Beautiful Girl In The World- don't have the corresponding albums on Spotify. I know Prince was against all this but they've done it.
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Post by funksoldier on Jan 13, 2018 18:18:43 GMT
FINALLY! Someone who actually read Mayte's book and doesn't complain. Seriously I don't get all the fuss about it, because I read it and she didn't shred him to pieces (And to be fair, he didn't even treat her so good, actually.) But she still defends him, and that only shows how much she still loves him. And it's her right to write her story, Prince just happened to be a big part of it, I mean, she was 22 when he married her, and they knew each other for ten years. You can't just skip that part of your life, she lost two babys and wasn't even alowed to adress it publically, she had to lie about the whole situation. And now some fans attack her if she writes her story? She wasn't even allowed to tell the baby's name, how f***ed up is that? She literally had to act like the baby never existed. Sorry Prince, I love you man, but that wasn't right! She was about to kill herself and he just letting her grieve alone. What? She's good enough to f*ck, and marry, but if she needs you you're gone? Wow. Now, I'm not saying that it's all his fault, you know, how he dealt with it, it's probably because of his upbringing, but Jesus Christ, you're a grown ass man! Take responsibility! You made a promise to her, remember? "I'll take care of you forever." And then she was alone.......and he walked into Mani's arms, yeah, you now can see what she's about! Trademarking his charity right after he died. She doesn't even have the permission to do it, but hey, she converted to the JW for you, so she the one, right?
People can hate as much as they want, but I do believe that Mayte doesn't have and never had any bad intentions, you could actually see how much she loved him. You can see it so clearly, it almost breaks your heart, because she got treated like shit! And she still loves him. She's a strong woman also, because she could forgive him, not many could do it after that mess he put her through. She didn't even sued him for money in the divorce like Mani did. She just took the house in spain and that's it. Fams say: "Well, if she didn't take the money, she dumb as shit." Yeah right, and if she sued for money it would go like this: "What a greedy bitch." She's a good woman, probably the truest he ever had, and definitely better than those fans who hate the shit out of her.
I'm sorry for the long post, but I hate injustice and I just can't shut up.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Jan 13, 2018 20:53:40 GMT
FINALLY! Someone who actually read Mayte's book and doesn't complain. Seriously I don't get all the fuss about it, because I read it and she didn't shred him to pieces (And to be fair, he didn't even treat her so good, actually.) But she still defends him, and that only shows how much she still loves him. And it's her right to write her story, Prince just happened to be a big part of it, I mean, she was 22 when he married her, and they knew each other for ten years. You can't just skip that part of your life, she lost two babys and wasn't even alowed to adress it publically, she had to lie about the whole situation. And now some fans attack her if she writes her story? She wasn't even allowed to tell the baby's name, how f***ed up is that? She literally had to act like the baby never existed. Sorry Prince, I love you man, but that wasn't right! She was about to kill herself and he just letting her grieve alone. What? She's good enough to f*ck, and marry, but if she needs you you're gone? Wow. Now, I'm not saying that it's all his fault, you know, how he dealt with it, it's probably because of his upbringing, but Jesus Christ, you're a grown ass man! Take responsibility! You made a promise to her, remember? "I'll take care of you forever." And then she was alone.......and he walked into Mani's arms, yeah, you now can see what she's about! Trademarking his charity right after he died. She doesn't even have the permission to do it, but hey, she converted to the JW for you, so she the one, right? People can hate as much as they want, but I do believe that Mayte doesn't have and never had any bad intentions, you could actually see how much she loved him. You can see it so clearly, it almost breaks your heart, because she got treated like shit! And she still loves him. She's a strong woman also, because she could forgive him, not many could do it after that mess he put her through. She didn't even sued him for money in the divorce like Mani did. She just took the house in spain and that's it. Fams say: "Well, if she didn't take the money, she dumb as shit." Yeah right, and if she sued for money it would go like this: "What a greedy bitch." She's a good woman, probably the truest he ever had, and definitely better than those fans who hate the shit out of her. I'm sorry for the long post, but I hate injustice and I just can't shut up. I haven't read the book, it just doesn't feel right to me, as Prince was a very private man and I suppose it just feels disrespectful to his memory or whatever, to go prying into the personal details of his marriage and the loss of his child.
Whether Mayte was right to put this book out there is another issue altogether. I get what you're saying, it was her life too, it was her baby too and she has every right to tell her story. But I guess you could also argue that nobody forced her to go along with Prince's wishes all these years. She no doubt put up with a hell of a lot of shit being married to him, but at the end of the day, she was willing to put up with his shit because she wanted the perks of being Mrs Prince. The outfits, the fame, the money, the lifestyle... would she have put up with that shit if Prince Rogers Nelson had been some random dude who worked in her local garage? I think not.
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Post by funksoldier on Jan 13, 2018 21:43:23 GMT
FINALLY! Someone who actually read Mayte's book and doesn't complain. Seriously I don't get all the fuss about it, because I read it and she didn't shred him to pieces (And to be fair, he didn't even treat her so good, actually.) But she still defends him, and that only shows how much she still loves him. And it's her right to write her story, Prince just happened to be a big part of it, I mean, she was 22 when he married her, and they knew each other for ten years. You can't just skip that part of your life, she lost two babys and wasn't even alowed to adress it publically, she had to lie about the whole situation. And now some fans attack her if she writes her story? She wasn't even allowed to tell the baby's name, how f***ed up is that? She literally had to act like the baby never existed. Sorry Prince, I love you man, but that wasn't right! She was about to kill herself and he just letting her grieve alone. What? She's good enough to f*ck, and marry, but if she needs you you're gone? Wow. Now, I'm not saying that it's all his fault, you know, how he dealt with it, it's probably because of his upbringing, but Jesus Christ, you're a grown ass man! Take responsibility! You made a promise to her, remember? "I'll take care of you forever." And then she was alone.......and he walked into Mani's arms, yeah, you now can see what she's about! Trademarking his charity right after he died. She doesn't even have the permission to do it, but hey, she converted to the JW for you, so she the one, right? People can hate as much as they want, but I do believe that Mayte doesn't have and never had any bad intentions, you could actually see how much she loved him. You can see it so clearly, it almost breaks your heart, because she got treated like shit! And she still loves him. She's a strong woman also, because she could forgive him, not many could do it after that mess he put her through. She didn't even sued him for money in the divorce like Mani did. She just took the house in spain and that's it. Fams say: "Well, if she didn't take the money, she dumb as shit." Yeah right, and if she sued for money it would go like this: "What a greedy bitch." She's a good woman, probably the truest he ever had, and definitely better than those fans who hate the shit out of her. I'm sorry for the long post, but I hate injustice and I just can't shut up. I haven't read the book, it just doesn't feel right to me, as Prince was a very private man and I suppose it just feels disrespectful to his memory or whatever, to go prying into the personal details of his marriage and the loss of his child.
Whether Mayte was right to put this book out there is another issue altogether. I get what you're saying, it was her life too, it was her baby too and she has every right to tell her story. But I guess you could also argue that nobody forced her to go along with Prince's wishes all these years. She no doubt put up with a hell of a lot of shit being married to him, but at the end of the day, she was willing to put up with his shit because she wanted the perks of being Mrs Prince. The outfits, the fame, the money, the lifestyle... would she have put up with that shit if Prince Rogers Nelson had been some random dude who worked in her local garage? I think not.
Maybe because he would've sued her for speaking publically? Don't get me wrong, I love Prince and I respect his wishes for privacy, but what he did with the people around him, keeping them silent with lawyers, it's controlling and taking their right to speak about the bad stuff. Or even speak at all. And she didn't first talk in the book, she was on a TV show years before and talked about the Baby and the loss. He wanted the public to know what he showed them, and what he showed them wasn't always true. However, he once admitted that he could've been mean sometimes, but that doesn't make what he did better! And it wasn't just being mean tho, just ask Morris Day how far Prince would've gone when he wanted the controll of everything, what? Was it only his life and they were all just co-existing and have no right to talk about their time with him? But if he chose to talk about the time with Vanity, Jill, Susannah etc, it would've been okay, no matter how exploitive he would've been? As to Mayte: She wrote a beautiful book about her life with Prince and she didn't exploit him in any way, even with her book out, he remains a mystery. Oh and by the way, he didn't really keep his life so private as many claim, he exploited his marriage to mayte in the song: "The greatest romance ever sold." It was a slap in the face for Mayte, but she still kept silent, out of respect. It's always funny tho, people say: "But he was private, he wouldn't have wanted this book out." Well, you might be right about that, but these are the same people who watched every music video that pops up on youtube on fridays, but he didn't want that either. But it serves the fams personal wishes, so it's okay to disrespect his wishes?
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 13, 2018 22:26:03 GMT
One thing I will say for Mayte, she is still smoking hot, even after all these years.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 14, 2018 7:37:51 GMT
Prince and Mayte's relationship seems like a star-groupie relationship to me. Isn't that how it basically started? I know she was very young when she met Prince and it was her mother who sent Prince videos of her dancing in the hope of being discovered as a dancer. (I actually read a rumour that she also sent videos to MJ, but he didn't bite, Prince did.)
I feel Prince was a control-freak and this girl was someone who he could easily control. That's why he was able to do all the things he did with her. I read Priscialla Presley's book "Elvis and Me" and Prince and Mayte kind of reminds me of dynamics between Elvis and Priscilla. Elvis was also VERY controlling of her, in ways that weren't very healthy IMO. As you all know Priscilla was even younger when they met than when Mayte met Prince, so she was easily shaped according to Elvis' taste. Am I right to assume a similar thing with Prince and Mayte?
As for writing a book, yeah, there are always pros and contras. I am always a little conflicted about this - esp. if we talk about a book on someone's private life. I did buy "Elvis and Me" when I saw it in a second-hand shop and I don't think it is any different. It doesn't focus on Elvis as an artist, but Elvis as a private man, husband/boyfriend. And it is not all rosy, to say the least. Personally, I didn't feel sympathy for Elvis after reading it. I felt he was controlling in an unhealthy way. Actually, I always wonder how LMP feels about that book. And I am not sure how I would feel if LMP ever wrote a book about MJ, but I am sure a LOT (if not most) fans would be outraged. Though I would be surprised if she ever did it - or if she ever does write a book then it will probably be an autobiography that MJ will be one part of, but I doubt she would ever write a book solely centered around MJ. (Well, listening to her songs, she does give away a LOT of her thoughts and feelings about MJ and their relationship, so maybe that is her outlet, not a book.)
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Post by Liberian Girl on Jan 14, 2018 8:43:56 GMT
Prince and Mayte's relationship seems like a star-groupie relationship to me. Isn't that how it basically started? Yes that basically sums it, I think. And it can be really the ONLY way that makes her staying in that relationship understandable, considering how through much of the book the description of their relationship shows how controlling he was over her but how she just accepted it again, again and again. If she was with any other random man, I'm guessing that kinda controlling, almost cruel behavior, would have resulted in her dumping him pretty quickly. But because she, as much as loved, probably idolised him and was a massive fan, she was more willing to let all that stuff go by, as if it was reasonable. He told her when to lose weight, what to wear, where to go. Made her pretend her dead baby was happy and alive - and wanted her to refuse medical treatment that saved her life. But even now she almost excuses that behavior and it's because it's Prince. And the whole balance of that relationship was a teen, meeting her idol, wanting him to like her etc.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 14, 2018 9:08:27 GMT
He told her when to lose weight, what to wear, where to go. Very much like I Elvis and Priscilla then. Of course, in any relationship it is natural that you want to look in a way that your significant other likes, but in these relationships it just seemed to be in a VERY controlling way. As if these men were playing with a doll. The whole baby stuff is weird. I know it was a huge trauma for both of them and not everyone has the same way to process trauma. Prince sure had his own trauma and own process - which seemed to be some kind of denial. It is still very fucked up to go on TV and pretend everything is alright AND expect your wife do the same. Here is that interview (from around 4:00). And by this time their baby was dead. It is sad.
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 14, 2018 9:42:36 GMT
^^ To be honest, I think stars on the level of Prince, MJ and Elvis etc are almost impossible to be in a relationship of equals. Didn't MJ once tell LMP that Debbie was willing to have his babies if she didn't? I mean, most wives would tell their husbands to take a running jump (and knowing LMP, she probably did).
From what I gather in the book he absolutely worshipped her (in a slightly unhealthy way) and treated her like a Queen, but things changed for them after the death of their child. Prince didn't make himself available to her to support her through the grieving process, instead throwing himself into his work.
The book details how his friendship with Larry Graham and subsequent conversion to the JW faith came about as a way of not knowing how to grieve for his son. Mayte refused to convert to Prince's new faith and he couldn't accept that. She said the last straw came when he told her that God had taken their son to punish him for his lewd career antics of the past. She doesn't talk particularly kindly of Larry Graham and of course, Prince's relationship with his second wife was born out of wife #2's willingness to study the JW faith with him, while Mayte had grown in confidence and refused to be moulded into whatever Prince wanted her to be.
She says the reason Prince always dated younger women is because he couldn't handle grown women who had their own ideas, beliefs and the confidence to stand up to him. It was quite nice reading her growth from this impressionable starstruck young belly dancer into a woman who wasn't prepared to compromise herself any longer, not even for Prince.
I'm not making excuses for Prince, but I think it's difficult when you spend the majority of your adult life with people looking up to you, worshipping you, doing as you say etc. How do you go from being the boss, the person nobody wants to upset, to an equal partner in a marriage? With great difficulty I imagine.
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 14, 2018 9:46:14 GMT
She does mention MJ a few times in the book, but always in a positive way. She said she saw the Bad tour and even though the experience was horrible (she got crushed and hyperventilated), she said he was incredible and she was so glad she got to see him in his lifetime.
She mentions how Wade Robson gave her her first job after leaving Prince. She was pretty much broke (she didn't take any money off Prince in the divorce settlement) and she said how lost she was after dedicating the first decade of her adult life to Prince and she was really grateful that Wade took a chance on her to choreograph the music video for Britney's I'm A Slave 4 U.
Not to turn this into another Wade Robson thread, but I suppose this explains her willingness to support his claims.
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 14, 2018 10:28:59 GMT
Didn't MJ once tell LMP that Debbie was willing to have his babies if she didn't? I mean, most wives would tell their husbands to take a running jump (and knowing LMP, she probably did). What the fuck.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Jan 14, 2018 10:32:48 GMT
Didn't MJ once tell LMP that Debbie was willing to have his babies if she didn't? I mean, most wives would tell their husbands to take a running jump (and knowing LMP, she probably did). What the fuck. I think that story originated from J Randy Taraborelli's book, so I'd take it with a pinch of salt tbh.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Jan 14, 2018 11:11:41 GMT
The "If you don't have a baby with me, Lisa, there's another woman who will" story about MJ reminds me of the "Do what I say, Mayte - there are loads of other woman out there who exhaust themselves trying to be with me" story about Prince.
Ugh.
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