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Post by Snow White on Aug 21, 2018 17:46:52 GMT
It smells like a stunt pulled either by the RIIA or the Eagles. How did they managed to sell 8 million copies with their GH album in just a year? The analysis was done by chartmasters last year, I'll just put their GH against Thriller. Greatest Hits 1971–75 (1976) America US – 30,250,000 Canada – 3,100,000 Argentina – N/A Brazil – N/A Mexico – N/A Asia – 475,000 Japan – 300,000 Oceania Australia – 600,000 New Zealand – 175,000 Europe – 2,370,000 UK – 1,200,000 France – N/A Germany – N/A Italy – 200,000 Spain – N/A Sweden – 75,000 Netherland – 150,000 Switzerland – N/A Austria – N/A Finland – N/A World – 37,450,000 NB: N/A means no specific number is available. Sales from the country are still accounted for in the Worldwide estimate by using figure patterns of both the artist and the country market. Countries not displayed in this fixed panel are factored in also. chartmasters.org/2017/12/cspc-eagles-popularity-analysis/24/And now Thriller. Before you make a fuss about the 110 or 116 million copies, it achieved this in Commesurate Sales Popularity (CSPC) explained in Michael's analysis: chartmasters.org/2017/09/cspc-michael-jackson-popularity-analysis/chartmasters.org/2017/09/cspc-michael-jackson-popularity-analysis/48/Thriller (1982) America US – 30,400,000 Canada – 3,300,000 Argentina – 690,000 Brazil – 1,810,000 Mexico – 1,775,000 Colombia – 360,000 Asia – 5,290,000 Japan – 2,800,000 Hong-Kong – 135,000 Singapore – 50,000 India – 145,000 Oceania Australia – 1,160,000 New Zealand – 195,000 Europe – 19,140,000 UK – 4,760,000 France – 3,775,000 Germany – 2,525,000 Italy – 1,410,000 Spain – 975,000 Sweden – 455,000 Netherland – 1,035,000 Switzerland – 370,000 Austria – 210,000 Finland – 120,000 Denmark – 195,000 Belgium – 605,000 Norway – 165,000 Portugal – 110,000 Greece – 200,000 Yugoslavia – 150,000 Czech Republic – 140,000 Other South Africa – 450,000 Israel – 115,000 Zimbabwe – 14,000 World – 65,800,000 |
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Post by Snow White on Aug 21, 2018 21:43:21 GMT
My hatred Hotel California is evident that I haven't cared to know any other Eagles song. For overplayed and overrated rock tracks I prefer Stairway To Heaven.
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 22, 2018 1:44:14 GMT
It smells like a stunt pulled either by the RIIA or the Eagles. How did they managed to sell 8 million copies with their GH album in just a year? Its not one year. The albums certification hadn’t been update since 2006, so this is ~12 years worth. |
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Post by Snow White on Aug 22, 2018 2:05:47 GMT
It smells like a stunt pulled either by the RIIA or the Eagles. How did they managed to sell 8 million copies with their GH album in just a year? Its not one year. The albums certification hadn’t been update since 2006, so this is ~12 years worth. I said that because Charmasters uploaded that Eagles analysis last year. |
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Post by kremlinshadow on Aug 22, 2018 2:11:41 GMT
It smells like a stunt pulled either by the RIIA or the Eagles. How did they managed to sell 8 million copies with their GH album in just a year? The analysis was done by chartmasters last year, I'll just put their GH against Thriller. The Eagles have probably just been re-certified - now they need to do the same for Thriller but in between that time of course there has to be an anti-MJ rant it just wouldn't be life otherwise, right? |
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Post by respect77 on Aug 22, 2018 2:26:49 GMT
It smells like a stunt pulled either by the RIIA or the Eagles. How did they managed to sell 8 million copies with their GH album in just a year? Its not one year. The albums certification hadn’t been update since 2006, so this is ~12 years worth. Still does not add up at all. See what I wrote on the previous page. Sumnary: each year but one (2016, when Glenn Frey died) since 2006 Thriller beat GH on the catalog album charts. Their streaming numbers are available and you can see they are not even in the same league as Thriller in that department either. So if not sales and not streaming, then how did GH jump ahead of Thriller? And by 5 million, no less! Something is definitely fishy in this. |
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 22, 2018 2:57:35 GMT
Its not one year. The albums certification hadn’t been update since 2006, so this is ~12 years worth. Still does not add up at all. See what I wrote on the previous page. Sumnary: each year but one (2016, when Glenn Frey died) since 2006 Thriller beat GH on the catalog album charts. Their streaming numbers are available and you can see they are not even in the same league as Thriller in that department either. So if not sales and not streaming, then how did GH jump ahead of Thriller? And by 5 million, no less! Something is definitely fishy in this. I’m not saying anything about whether it’s true or not, my comment was just clearing up a misunderstanding I thought Snow White had. |
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 22, 2018 2:59:16 GMT
It smells like a stunt pulled either by the RIIA or the Eagles. How did they managed to sell 8 million copies with their GH album in just a year? The analysis was done by chartmasters last year, I'll just put their GH against Thriller. The Eagles have probably just been re-certified - now they need to do the same for Thriller but in between that time of course there has to be an anti-MJ rant it just wouldn't be life otherwise, right? It’ll be up to Sony and the Estate to pay the RIAA to re-certify. They only did it 2.5 years ago though so they might not be in a rush to. Streaming has grown quite a bit over the past couple years so it would be interesting where that takes Thrillers certification. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 3:52:51 GMT
I have to agree, it was on our news today adn I can not deny that our newsreaders who are all white have undisguised glee when they announce that an album by a country rock group considered Gods here in white New Zealand have beaten Michael Jackson.
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They also added a bit about Jackson's popularity nose diving after "multiple" allegations of paedophilia (Twice and both proven completely bogus) and that he died of drug abuse in 2009. the media love spin spin. They are so quick to destroy and knock down his achievements.
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Post by Snow White on Aug 22, 2018 4:31:11 GMT
Even if The Eagles GH had sold more in USA, it wouldn't bother me. They maybe huge in the States but just there, Michael and Thriller are huge all over the world. What pisses me off is that the media deliberately lie to fit their anti Michael Jackson agenda, Thriller is still the biggest selling ALBUM all over the world. I find insulting the media compares an all original album with a compilation.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 22, 2018 5:13:43 GMT
I have to agree, it was on our news today adn I can not deny that our newsreaders who are all white have undisguised glee when they announce that an album by a country rock group considered Gods here in white New Zealand have beaten Michael Jackson. . They also added a bit about Jackson's popularity nose diving after "multiple" allegations of paedophilia (Twice and both proven completely bogus) and that he died of drug abuse in 2009. the media love spin spin. They are so quick to destroy and knock down his achievements. Well noted that the reporting of MJ beating the Eagles in 2017 and having the first album ever that crosed 30 million in sales, wasn't nearly as wide-spread... |
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Post by respect77 on Aug 22, 2018 5:19:25 GMT
Even if The Eagles GH had sold more in USA, it wouldn't bother me. They maybe huge in the States but just there, Michael and Thriller are huge all over the world. What pisses me off is that the media deliberately lie to fit their anti Michael Jackson agenda, Thriller is still the biggest selling ALBUM all over the world. I find insulting the media compares an all original album with a compilation. Yes, it wouldn't bother me either, but the numbers just do not add up AT ALL. SoundScan data does not support it at all! Between 1991-2013 acc. to SoundScan Eagles GH sold 5.6 million. Yet, between 1990 and 2006 their album's certification went up by 17 million! That's almost three times as what the actual sales data from SoundScan supports! Acc. to the same SoundScan data Thriller sold around 6.2 million between 1991-2013. MJ's certifications are much more closely aligned with that. His certifications between 1990 and 2005 went up only by 6 million and between 1993 and 2009 by 7 million. So that's about the same realm as what SoundScan data supports. But with the Eagles their certifications are triple of that of their actual sales that is supported by SoundScan! That's when they introduced the club sales excuse, but do the Eagles produce 2/3 of their album sales through clubs? No one else does that, but hey, we should just believe that with the Eagles. Conveniently 2/3 of their album sales comes from an area that SoundScan does not track. But then Barbee said on LSA that she was a member of Columbia Club and she bought the Eagles album for 1 penny. So if they sold the album for 1 penny in clubs then maybe it is true. Only then it shouldn't be counted in certifications because that's actually cheating. That's basically giving away albums from free and then count them as "sold" albums. SoundScan and RIAA refused to count it when there were artists who were trying marketing tricks like giving away albums for less than $1 on iTunes. But with the Eagles they count 1 penny sales? I also find it interesting that this madness with the Eagles sales started with their December 1993 certification. I do wonder if it has to do with the allegations against MJ at the time and that the RIAA didn't want him to be their top artist any more. So they started this fuckery with the Eagles and then by the end of the decade Eagles GH overtook Thriller in certifications (even though SoundScan data doesn't support that) and so they did not have to give the Album of the Millenium award to MJ. |
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Post by respect77 on Aug 22, 2018 5:28:15 GMT
Even if The Eagles GH had sold more in USA, it wouldn't bother me. They maybe huge in the States but just there, Michael and Thriller are huge all over the world. What pisses me off is that the media deliberately lie to fit their anti Michael Jackson agenda, Thriller is still the biggest selling ALBUM all over the world. I find insulting the media compares an all original album with a compilation. Type in "biggest selling albums of all times" in Google and they already have the Eagles on top, with no mention that is only in the USA. This fact that the announcement of RIAA and the Eagles did not have "in the USA" in it anywhere was totally misleading and IMO absolutely deliberate. |
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Post by bedroom on Aug 22, 2018 8:33:20 GMT
Didn't the same thing happen in 1999 when the Eagles album was awarded the greatest selling album of the century which outsold Thriller by one million in USA...I remember one of the Eagles members (I don't know their names) joking that "Michael Jackson will probably buy 1 million copies of Thriller now"
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 22, 2018 8:59:03 GMT
Even if The Eagles GH had sold more in USA, it wouldn't bother me. They maybe huge in the States but just there, Michael and Thriller are huge all over the world. What pisses me off is that the media deliberately lie to fit their anti Michael Jackson agenda, Thriller is still the biggest selling ALBUM all over the world. I find insulting the media compares an all original album with a compilation. Type in "biggest selling albums of all times" in Google and they already have the Eagles on top, with no mention that is only in the USA. This fact that the announcement of RIAA and the Eagles did not have "in the USA" in it anywhere was totally misleading and IMO absolutely deliberate. It does for me:  Wouldn't surprise me if you were getting linked elsewhere, not uncommon for Google to tailor results for different people. |
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