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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 12:00:11 GMT
To be honest, I actually always thought that The Eagles were the top selling album in the US all this time anyway.
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Post by TonyR on Aug 22, 2018 12:06:00 GMT
To be honest, I actually always thought that The Eagles were the top selling album in the US all this time anyway. Yeah I've always thought it yo-yo'd between the two of them. But it's much more fun to think of this as MJ-hate based & racism. |
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Post by respect77 on Aug 22, 2018 12:55:10 GMT
To be honest, I actually always thought that The Eagles were the top selling album in the US all this time anyway. Based on what? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 12:59:10 GMT
To be honest, I actually always thought that The Eagles were the top selling album in the US all this time anyway. Based on what? Lots of trivia questions and things over the years I think, I actually don't know but its something I always thought. I always knew worldwide Thriller was way ahead but this is all news to me |
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Post by respect77 on Aug 22, 2018 13:03:02 GMT
To be honest, I actually always thought that The Eagles were the top selling album in the US all this time anyway. Yeah I've always thought it yo-yo'd between the two of them. But it's much more fun to think of this as MJ-hate based & racism. It didn't always yo-yo. It was nowhere near to Thriller until 1995 then it suddenly (and not supported by any chart data) went up 8 million to catch up with Thriller. From then on it yo-yo'd but based on any credible data (eg. Soundscan) Thriller always sold more. From where some of the Eagles album big sales surges (including this recent one) are coming from is rather a mystery. Even the chart buffs on Ukmix, who are not MJ fans, are puzzled by this. |
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Post by respect77 on Aug 22, 2018 13:12:30 GMT
To be honest, I actually always thought that The Eagles were the top selling album in the US all this time anyway. Yeah I've always thought it yo-yo'd between the two of them. But it's much more fun to think of this as MJ-hate based & racism. I don't know if it's hate based or race based or what, but the numbers really do not add up. For an album to overtake another it should actually sell and/or stream more. Streaming numbers are there to see for everyone, the Eagles aren't even in the same ball park as Thriller. And Billboard history says Thriller also sold more in the past 12 years since the Eagles album's last certification. The only year when GH finished ahead of Thriller on the catalog chart was 2016, when Glenn Frey died and even then not by much. So it's really difficult to find a convincing explanation for this. |
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Post by TonyR on Aug 22, 2018 13:18:17 GMT
Yeah I've always thought it yo-yo'd between the two of them. But it's much more fun to think of this as MJ-hate based & racism. It didn't always yo-yo. It was nowhere near to Thriller until 1995 then it suddenly (and not supported by any chart data) went up 8 million to catch up with Thriller. From then on it yo-yo'd but based on any credible data (eg. Soundscan) Thriller always sold more. From where some of the Eagles album big sales surges (including this recent one) are coming from is rather a mystery. Even the chart buffs on Ukmix, who are not MJ fans, are puzzled by this. Okay, not 'always' but for the last 23 years or so... |
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Post by TonyR on Aug 22, 2018 13:20:26 GMT
Yeah I've always thought it yo-yo'd between the two of them. But it's much more fun to think of this as MJ-hate based & racism. I don't know if it's hate based or race based or what, but the numbers really do not add up. For an album to overtake another it should actually sell and/or stream more. Streaming numbers are there to see for everyone, the Eagles aren't even in the same ball park as Thriller. And Billboard history says Thriller also sold more in the past 12 years since the Eagles album's last certification. The only year when GH finished ahead of Thriller on the catalog chart was 2016, when Glenn Frey died and even then not by much. So it's really difficult to find a convincing explanation for this. That's fair enough, but whatever it is, I don't think its anything to do with any conspiracy theory or anti-MJ propaganda. If the media are reporting it then it's because that's the facts they've been given. Same if someone told them that Carey was now the biggest selling female rather than Madonna. Plus stats are so dodgy, we've discussed ourselves how the much mooted Thriller has sold over 100 million copies is spurious to say the least. |
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Post by TonyR on Aug 22, 2018 13:29:16 GMT
Sorry, third post in a row....
Thriller being the biggest selling album of all time worldwide is the one statistic that really means a lot to me. Due to the way the singles chart works now, all those stats such as 5 #1 from album and 7 hits from Thriller being overtaken are meaningless.
And highest grossing tour artist is incomparable when I paid £28.50 to see Bad live and now you can pay £100-£200 for some huge artists.
But biggest selling album, you can't really argue with that and what an accolade to have.
Especially when backed up with 2 other 30 million selling albums.
I remember being stupidly really worried when Adele released 25 the other year as I thought for a while that it was going to beat it (no pun intended) when it was selling nearly a million a week. It honestly really concerned me.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 22, 2018 13:38:24 GMT
I don't know if it's hate based or race based or what, but the numbers really do not add up. For an album to overtake another it should actually sell and/or stream more. Streaming numbers are there to see for everyone, the Eagles aren't even in the same ball park as Thriller. And Billboard history says Thriller also sold more in the past 12 years since the Eagles album's last certification. The only year when GH finished ahead of Thriller on the catalog chart was 2016, when Glenn Frey died and even then not by much. So it's really difficult to find a convincing explanation for this. That's fair enough, but whatever it is, I don't think its anything to do with any conspiracy theory or anti-MJ propaganda. If the media are reporting it then it's because that's the facts they've been given. Same if someone told them that Carey was now the biggest selling female rather than Madonna. Plus stats are so dodgy, we've discussed ourselves how the much mooted Thriller has sold over 100 million copies is spurious to say the least. There was that thread here the other day about a general disrepect and hostility towards MJ in the media. I do believe this is another example of that. First of all the RIAA/Eagles statement in itself was misleading that it didn't mention "in the USA". But now the media are actually spinning it further by adding that how Eagles GH is the biggest selling album in the world. Case in point Now, is this an honest mistake or deliberate misleading? I personally don't think the wording of the RIAA statement was accidental. They knew what they were doing, IMO. Another thing is this is now major mainstream news all over. It wasn't that when Thriller was the first album in history to cross the 30 million mark and regained the top position from the Eagles. How interesting. You guys maybe had the impression that the Eagles always led, because it was not really reported in any of the mainstream media when MJ took the lead. I don't know the motive but there is just a visible difference in how such things are reported when it's MJ who is "winning" and when he is "losing". |
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 22, 2018 13:45:14 GMT
Sorry, third post in a row.... Thriller being the biggest selling album of all time worldwide is the one statistic that really means a lot to me. Due to the way the singles chart works now, all those stats such as 5 #1 from album and 7 hits from Thriller being overtaken are meaningless. And highest grossing tour artist is incomparable when I paid £28.50 to see Bad live and now you can pay £100-£200 for some huge artists. But biggest selling album, you can't really argue with that and what an accolade to have.
Especially when backed up with 2 other 30 million selling albums. I remember being stupidly really worried when Adele released 25 the other year as I thought for a while that it was going to beat it (no pun intended) when it was selling nearly a million a week. It honestly really concerned me. Yeah, I actually think it's one of, if not THE, most well known record Michael Jackson holds. Dude held a number of records so it's inevitable that a number will be broken, but I like to think this'll be THE one he'll always keep.
I'm not really worried though. I think I read earlier this new certification puts The Eagles' GH album sales up to 51,000,000 worldwide. An extremely strong number no doubt, but Thriller still holds ahead by another 15,000,000 copies. Keep in mind the charting positions Respect and others have pointed out, along with it's supreme streaming numbers for a catalog album, well the King remains in his rightful position. At the top  |
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Post by respect77 on Aug 22, 2018 13:54:43 GMT
From UKmix:
"So, lemme see if I get it right: the reason why there's a 38x platinum (or 38x diamond) certification for "Greatest Hits" is because they added total streams and single sales from the compilation rather than from the original albums themselves? But that still doesn't explain why they added nine million. I would think with total single sales, it was like, what, 1 or 2 million in total? So that's 32 million. So that leaves six million. I wonder if Asylum shipped Eagles albums to stores and then they or the label gave the RIAA $350 to audit the album. There's not a lot people can get away with in 2018 that they could in 1994 so I like to see an explanation for it. I also wonder if there's a possibility Thriller was UNDER-certified? Lol Thriller definitely has outsold and outstreamed "Greatest Hits" so yeah... confusing."
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Post by Snow White on Aug 22, 2018 14:02:40 GMT
The Mexican media were reporting the Eagles GH surpassed Thriller as "the biggest selling album of all time," they didn't specify it was in the USA. That's deliberately lying and being misleading.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 22, 2018 14:02:47 GMT
Sorry, third post in a row.... Thriller being the biggest selling album of all time worldwide is the one statistic that really means a lot to me. Due to the way the singles chart works now, all those stats such as 5 #1 from album and 7 hits from Thriller being overtaken are meaningless. And highest grossing tour artist is incomparable when I paid £28.50 to see Bad live and now you can pay £100-£200 for some huge artists. But biggest selling album, you can't really argue with that and what an accolade to have.
Especially when backed up with 2 other 30 million selling albums. I remember being stupidly really worried when Adele released 25 the other year as I thought for a while that it was going to beat it (no pun intended) when it was selling nearly a million a week. It honestly really concerned me. Yeah, I actually think it's one of, if not THE, most well known record Michael Jackson holds. Dude held a number of records so it's inevitable that a number will be broken, but I like to think this'll be THE one he'll always keep.
I'm not really worried though. I think I read earlier this new certification puts The Eagles' GH album sales up to 51,000,000 worldwide. An extremely strong number no doubt, but Thriller still holds ahead by another 15,000,000 copies. Keep in mind the charting positions Respect and others have pointed out, along with it's supreme streaming numbers for a catalog album, well the King remains in his rightful position. At the top If they keep adding mysterious numbers to the Eagles tally in the USA at this rate, it might even threaten Thriller's global position sooner or later, because the USA is the biggest market and because other countries tend not to really update certifications. They added a mysterious 8 million to the Eagles numbers in 1995 and now a mysterious 9 million that is very difficult to explain if you know chart data, Soundscan data, streaming data. So what makes us think they won't add another mysterious 15 million in the future? It seems they can get away with it, so why not? |
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 22, 2018 14:03:34 GMT
From UKmix: "So, lemme see if I get it right: the reason why there's a 38x platinum (or 38x diamond) certification for "Greatest Hits" is because they added total streams and single sales from the compilation rather than from the original albums themselves? But that still doesn't explain why they added nine million. I would think with total single sales, it was like, what, 1 or 2 million in total? So that's 32 million. So that leaves six million. I wonder if Asylum shipped Eagles albums to stores and then they or the label gave the RIAA $350 to audit the album. There's not a lot people can get away with in 2018 that they could in 1994 so I like to see an explanation for it. I also wonder if there's a possibility Thriller was UNDER-certified? Lol Thriller definitely has outsold and outstreamed "Greatest Hits" so yeah... confusing." How could that happen exactly? Genuine question.
Wouldn't it be funny if tomorrow The Estate/Sony/RIAA released another statement being like WELL ACTUALLY Thriller's steamed and sold this much, enough to regain it's rightful position at top. Literally just days after The Eagles tried to swoop back in! That'd be hilarious  |
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