Post by respect77 on Sept 6, 2018 5:19:18 GMT
Chartmasters.org tried to get answers from RIAA as well, but they got the same "we are not telling you how" kind of answer as the MJ fan did.
"Up to date, it has never been mentioned that physical singles can be merged into albums’ certifications. In fact, I mailed persons named as contact of the news on Billboards’ site. Anna Loynes from Scoop Marketing was kind enough to call for action RIAA’s staff Jonathan Lamy who answered me with below email:
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They mention that the huge (8 million) certification for Eagles had to do with club sales - inlcuding albums given away for free.
"The most infamous case is the one of music clubs. We already went through them, pointing out precisely the case of the Eagles. Fact is, in 1994 all club sales, including free goods and initial subscription offers, were made eligible. This resulted into massive jumps in certifications for some albums."
And when it was not free it was often 1 cent.
WTF? How is that fair to count that as "sales"?
"Many discussed sales of Eagles‘ records since their last certifications. While it’s a part of the story, there is much more. If we focus on Greatest Hits 1971-1975, it scanned roughly 1,2 million units since 2006. Its singles were downloaded under 6 million times while they registered an estimated 400 million audio and video streams in the US. In total, that’s just over 2 million SPS, good enough to move up to 31xPlatinum. While this is absolutely massive, that is well short of 38xPlatinum.
If not for newly achieved sales, upgraded units must come from previously unaccounted for copies or from a change in certifications’ rules. As far as older sales not audited until recently are concerned, they are quite doubtful. It’s not completely unconceivable that Eagles‘ albums had some millions not certified until 2018. It’s truly unlikely, giving how many audits they were subject to, Discogs’ data, patterns of remaining Asylum’s awards, former Billboard charts, yearly catalog sales, Warner annual reports, etc. everything suggests their previous certifications were comprehensive, but still it is not completely impossible."
chartmasters.org/2018/09/a-step-into-club-sales-of-all-time-top-us-sellers/
"Up to date, it has never been mentioned that physical singles can be merged into albums’ certifications. In fact, I mailed persons named as contact of the news on Billboards’ site. Anna Loynes from Scoop Marketing was kind enough to call for action RIAA’s staff Jonathan Lamy who answered me with below email:
"
They mention that the huge (8 million) certification for Eagles had to do with club sales - inlcuding albums given away for free.
"The most infamous case is the one of music clubs. We already went through them, pointing out precisely the case of the Eagles. Fact is, in 1994 all club sales, including free goods and initial subscription offers, were made eligible. This resulted into massive jumps in certifications for some albums."
And when it was not free it was often 1 cent.
WTF? How is that fair to count that as "sales"?
"Many discussed sales of Eagles‘ records since their last certifications. While it’s a part of the story, there is much more. If we focus on Greatest Hits 1971-1975, it scanned roughly 1,2 million units since 2006. Its singles were downloaded under 6 million times while they registered an estimated 400 million audio and video streams in the US. In total, that’s just over 2 million SPS, good enough to move up to 31xPlatinum. While this is absolutely massive, that is well short of 38xPlatinum.
If not for newly achieved sales, upgraded units must come from previously unaccounted for copies or from a change in certifications’ rules. As far as older sales not audited until recently are concerned, they are quite doubtful. It’s not completely unconceivable that Eagles‘ albums had some millions not certified until 2018. It’s truly unlikely, giving how many audits they were subject to, Discogs’ data, patterns of remaining Asylum’s awards, former Billboard charts, yearly catalog sales, Warner annual reports, etc. everything suggests their previous certifications were comprehensive, but still it is not completely impossible."
chartmasters.org/2018/09/a-step-into-club-sales-of-all-time-top-us-sellers/