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Post by Russg on Aug 21, 2018 6:08:45 GMT
Michael Jackson’s ‘Thriller’ is no longer the best-selling album of all time in the US
Read more at www.nme.com/news/music/michael-jackson-thriller-best-selling-album-2368877#Wr7z1if25grTlgiU.99
A greatest hits record has taken the top spot in America
New data has revealed the best-selling album of all time in America, with an unexpected artist taking the title.
Worldwide, Michael Jackson‘s ‘Thriller‘ is still the most popular record of all time, with 47 million copies sold. However, in the States, the late icon’s seminal album has now been overtaken.
The Eagles‘ ‘Their Greatest Hits (1971-1975)‘, which was originally released in 1976, has been confirmed to be the best-selling album of all-time in the US, with the Recording Industry Association Of America (RIAA) reporting sales of 38 million copies. ‘Thriller’, meanwhile, is five million behind at 33 million copies.
Sales for the greatest hits record were last tallied in 2006 when it was 29 times platinum. ‘Thriller”s sales were updated last year.
In a statement, The Eagles’ Don Henley said: “We are grateful for our families, our management, our crew, the people at radio and, most of all, the loyal fans who have stuck with us through the ups and downs of 46 years. It’s been quite a ride.”
The new figures include streaming statistics. According to the RIAA’s rules, 1,500 streams of an album or 10 song downloads are equal to one album sale.
The body also confirmed The Eagles’ 1977 album ‘Hotel California‘ is now 26 times platinum, making it the third best-selling album of all time in the US.
Read more at www.nme.com/news/music/michael-jackson-thriller-best-selling-album-2368877#Wr7z1if25grTlgiU.99 |
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Post by Russg on Aug 21, 2018 6:09:20 GMT
Is it just me, or should a greatest hits album not really count?
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Post by TonyR on Aug 21, 2018 6:33:54 GMT
Saw this last night. Couldn’t sleep.
Don’t these two always yo-yo for the top spot in America?
Personally, I can’t think of anything worse than listening to the MOR Greatest Hits of The Eagles.
‘This could be heaven or this could be hell.’ - it’s hell.
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 21, 2018 6:37:00 GMT
Is it just me, or should a greatest hits album not really count? No it should, an albums an album. Still, Thriller fucking wipes the floor on an international stage which I’d argue is much more important, so I'm not fussed with this. |
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Post by respect77 on Aug 21, 2018 7:55:17 GMT
I have a hard time believe this, to be honest. How did they manage to overtake Thriller in a period where they neither sold or streamed more? Since the albums's last certification in 2006 there was only one year, 2016, the year of Glenn Frey's death, when Eagles GH finished ahead of Thriller in the year end catalog chart that is based on pure sales. And on each and every streaming platform Thriller wipes the floor with Eagles GH. So the numbers just do not add up. They already pulled a similar stunt with the Eagles in the 1990 when their sales suddenly went up 9 million then another 3 within a very short time. I actually posted about it on MJJC, I think because it never added up to me. In 1990 Eagles GH was certified 12x Platinum, Thriller 21x Platinum. That means for it to catch up with Thriller and now overtake it by 5(!) million it should have sold a lot better than Thriller in the SoundScan era, but it is just not so. I found a SoundScan chart of 1991-2013 on my computer. It shows Thriller at #87 with sales of 6.2 million between 1991-2013. It shows the Eagles album at #120 with sales of 5.6 million during the same period. 87 ( 89 ) JACKSON*MICHAEL THRILLER 6,266,491 ( 89,804 ) 120 ( 122 ) EAGLES GREATEST HITS '71-75 5,598,732 ( 72,842 ) So not only it did not destroy Thriller but Thriller actually sold more since 1991! So once again, how did then the Eagles album overtake Thriller by now then? To overtake someone form a disadvantage you have to sell more. Or stream more. It is impossible otherwise. But neither of that happened here. I think back in the 1990s when people questioned the sudden rise in GH's sales they explained it with club sales, but I am sceptical about that claim too. How realistic it is that more than half of an artist's sales would be made up of club sales? I wonder if they use club sales only to muddy the water. Plus I get it that maybe club buyers have a specific demographic that favours Eagels (I don't know if that's the case, I just make a guess here), but I doubt overall the sales through club would be THAT radically different from what otherwise is going on in the music industry. So MJ and Thriller would have club sales too. But today club sales aren't even really a big factor any more IMO. Apparently the whole thing with RIAA works like this: the record company reports a number, they pay for the certification and RIAA certfies it. I wonder if the Eagles' label deliberately uses inflated numbers. Like I said when I look at the charts from the past 10-12 years and streaming numbers, Thriller did better, so how did Eagles GH overtake it? Another album of theirs Hotel California suddenly also jumped 10 million from 16x to 26x platinum making it the thrird best selling album of the USA. The joke is that you never see that album on the BB200, so how did that happen? Apparently Rolling Stone found it suspicious too because they asked, but they didn't get a detailed answer:  The chart experts of Umix are equally as puzzled as I am. www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=33264&start=4200 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 8:04:47 GMT
Sad really, as you know some of the negative people and detractors are besides themselves with glee. I think the Eagles are very average, they have 4 or 5 great songs and a lot of meh ones. Their country rock really only gets over in the states, the Europeans and Global audience are cooler, they like music that grabs you.
Thriller grabs you, the Eagles, don't plus the album is 42 years old whilst Thriller is just 36 (35 and 9 months). If you average sales over a year, Thriller would come out on top.
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Post by MattyJam on Aug 21, 2018 8:08:11 GMT
Saw this last night. Couldn’t sleep. Lol. I find it frustrating how every time one of MJs records gets beaten, it makes a story. I get that MJ is often cited as the bar by which other peoples success is measured, but it also feels a little like they enjoy trying to discredit MJ's accomplishments in some way. This is the part I find frustrating. It kept me awake too. |
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 21, 2018 10:34:07 GMT
Is it just me, or should a greatest hits album not really count? No it should, an albums an album. I must say, I've been reading up about this on Twitter and Reddit and a LOT of people are bringing up the fact it's a greatest hits album - way more than I thought would. It seems many of these people consider Thriller to be a more respectable achievement because it's entirely original.
Also I must say that I'm surprised the Eagles album in question doesn't have Hotel California as that's like the one song I know of theirs by name (the album came out a year before HC). There's probably a couple of songs by them I'll recognise if played though.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 21, 2018 11:30:13 GMT
Out of curiousity I checked out Eagles GH and Thriller's positions on the Billboard catalog chart since 2006 (the year when the Eagles album was last certified). Source: www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2017/catalog-albums (change the year in the URL for other years) So, it turns out since 2006 the only year when GH was ahead of Thriller on the catalog charts was 2016 (the year Glenn Frey died). That year GH was #14 and Thriller #29. Otherwise GH was never even in the Top 50! (The Eagles had another GH album of theirs in the Top 50 on two other occasions but not this GH '71-'75 album.) Meanwhile Thriller's run during that period: 2017: #45 2016: #29 2015: #40 2014: #25 2013: #33 2010: #7 2009: #2 Also UKmix has this "the decade so far" list (sales between 2009-2018) 115 - 1.21 million - THRILLER - Michael Jackson 190 - 0.93 million - THEIR GREATEST HITS 1971-1975 - Eagles www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=133585&start=450So it really begs the question where does GH suddenly get the 5 million advantage over Thriller from? Not from sales based on the above chart stats and not from streaming, for sure, because there it is not even in the same league as Thriller. Just absolutely doesn't add up. |
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Post by kremlinshadow on Aug 21, 2018 11:54:15 GMT
America is not the world!!
It's the biggest selling album in the WORLD ever, that's all that counts. Outselling the eagles by approx 40 million, it's just yet another attempt to downplay MJ's achievements and is getting really tired now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 11:59:07 GMT
"Does.... does this mean I can't listen to Thriller anymore Mommy? "
"Yes dear. "
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Post by mjjfan810 on Aug 21, 2018 12:08:10 GMT
The Eagles are a bit like Janet Jackson, in the sense that they are huge in America, and don't count for jackshit in the rest of the world.
Sorry Janet, but it's true. MJ is worldwide. The Eagles, like Janet, have very little success outside of the States.
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Post by TonyR on Aug 21, 2018 12:56:38 GMT
White privilege.
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Post by rhilo on Aug 21, 2018 14:59:54 GMT
This annoys and upsets me, and the media is just all over this 'news' . I wish this could be proven wrong 😔
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Aug 21, 2018 16:54:54 GMT
I honestly thought (before reading the whole title) that Thriller isn't the best selling album in the world anymore. I don't give a damn about US sales, america is not the world 😂
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