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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 21:53:28 GMT
Deserves it's own thread. Just finished part one. I could honestly watch 50 hours of this. One of the most remarkable, goosebumps inducing thing I've seen. I text one of the lads 5 mins in asking did he think it looked airbrushed and weird. Then I realised that Maca's skin was THAT clear on the TV when he was beside George.
Seeing those immortal songs coming together like that... I was gripped.
I don't like seeing photos of couples act like John and Yoko, so to be in the company of that shite I'd have left the band myself.
Oh can't wait for the rest.
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 25, 2021 22:54:36 GMT
Shockingly (probably, to some of you) I haven't watched it yet. I'm inviting friends around tomorrow and we're gonna watch some of it together! Was going to be all 6 hours, but we threw that idea out the window once it ballooned to 8. That was pushing it too much. But I cannot wait, and I'm liking the things I'm hearing! With Peter Jackson being a Beatles nerd himself, this seems like by the fans, for the fans. I text one of the lads 5 mins in asking did he think it looked airbrushed and weird. Then I realised that Maca's skin was THAT clear on the TV when he was beside George. Paul looked amazing at 26, fuck me. But if you're wondering about the airbrushed-ness, well it's time to get nerdy 🤓 Because this was all shot on 16mm (and the image was also cropped to 1.85:1 to better support widescreen TVs), it was rather grainy so Peter Jackson and his team spent a few years restoring and remastering it. So they not only removed any scratches, dirt, tears etc, but then they also had to deal with the excessive noise. The noise might look fine on a UHD Blu-ray/normal Blu-ray or in a theatre which can utilise extremely high bitrates, but streaming services... well they need to utilise bit-rates at a fraction of that. Digital compression does noooot work nicely with big chunks of grain, so essentially they did digital noise reduction (DNR) on the images to scrub it clean so it would help look better. Unfortunately, if you get rid of the grain, you risk getting rid of some details. There's been a lot of debate about this. It can also look even worse if shots are out-of-focus since there are fewer details in the first place (and there is the odd one, I saw one of Ringo in a teaser where he was quite out-of-focus), or if the scene is darker as there's using more grain. Personally, while I think some was necessary, from what I've seen I think it was bit too much and I'd rather have dialled it back a bit to allow some noise. Go look at Seinfeld on Netflix, even in 1080p/4K, there's no DNR on that image and there are many scenes where it just looks ugly, especially in darker scenes or if your connection isn't top rate. All because compression and film grain do not like each other. Funnily enough in the Seinfeld scenes shot outside, the grain is very fine so it looks incredible. However in saying all of this, I watched the Get Back trailer on D+ in 4K on the 4K TV I'm going to watch it on and it looked better on there than it did on YouTube (and it probably helped I was a bit further back than watching it on a computer monitor). They added a small bit of fine noise back on top to help, but it's minor and YouTube just destroys it with it's low bitrate. Thankfully D+ has a higher bitrate so you'll see some of it still if your connection is good enough. But again, would've probably kicked back a bit. The colours wow'd me though. I'll be keen to see how I feel about this after I watch it though. Even if I find it a bit too much, I'll still be super thankful I'm finally seeing all this footage in high quality. The Let It Be bootleg I watched some 6-7 years ago was fucking grotty.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 23:32:57 GMT
Shockingly (probably, to some of you) I haven't watched it yet. I'm inviting friends around tomorrow and we're gonna watch some of it together! Was going to be all 6 hours, but we threw that idea out the window once it ballooned to 8. That was pushing it too much. But I cannot wait, and I'm liking the things I'm hearing! With Peter Jackson being a Beatles nerd himself, this seems like by the fans, for the fans. I text one of the lads 5 mins in asking did he think it looked airbrushed and weird. Then I realised that Maca's skin was THAT clear on the TV when he was beside George. Paul looked amazing at 26, fuck me. But if you're wondering about the airbrushed-ness, well it's time to get nerdy 🤓 Because this was all shot on 16mm (and the image was also cropped to 1.85:1 to better support widescreen TVs), it was rather grainy so Peter Jackson and his team spent a few years restoring and remastering it. So they not only removed any scratches, dirt, tears etc, but then they also had to deal with the excessive noise. The noise might look fine on a UHD Blu-ray/normal Blu-ray or in a theatre which can utilise extremely high bitrates, but streaming services... well they need to utilise bit-rates at a fraction of that. Digital compression does noooot work nicely with big chunks of grain, so essentially they did digital noise reduction (DNR) on the images to scrub it clean so it would help look better. Unfortunately, if you get rid of the grain, you risk getting rid of some details. There's been a lot of debate about this. It can also look even worse if shots are out-of-focus since there are fewer details in the first place (and there is the odd one, I saw one of Ringo in a teaser where he was quite out-of-focus), or if the scene is darker as there's using more grain. Personally, while I think some was necessary, from what I've seen I think it was bit too much and I'd rather have dialled it back a bit to allow some noise. Go look at Seinfeld on Netflix, even in 1080p/4K, there's no DNR on that image and there are many scenes where it just looks ugly, especially in darker scenes or if your connection isn't top rate. All because compression and film grain do not like each other. Funnily enough in the Seinfeld scenes shot outside, the grain is very fine so it looks incredible. However in saying all of this, I watched the Get Back trailer on D+ in 4K on the 4K TV I'm going to watch it on and it looked better on there than it did on YouTube (and it probably helped I was a bit further back than watching it on a computer monitor). They added a small bit of fine noise back on top to help, but it's minor and YouTube just destroys it with it's low bitrate. Thankfully D+ has a higher bitrate so you'll see some of it still if your connection is good enough. But again, would've probably kicked back a bit. The colours wow'd me though. I'll be keen to see how I feel about this after I watch it though. Even if I find it a bit too much, I'll still be super thankful I'm finally seeing all this footage in high quality. The Let It Be bootleg I watched some 6-7 years ago was fucking grotty. That's really interesting, and I'd imagine it will look better on a bluray (if it happens) but it looks great. I remember just feeling awful after watching the Let It Be documentary. Just really really down and awful. It even made listening to those songs feel like a shitty experience prolonging how shit everyone seemed writing them. Get Back does the complete opposite. I'm still buzzing after it.
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 25, 2021 23:58:23 GMT
I remember just feeling awful after watching the Let It Be documentary. Just really really down and awful. It even made listening to those songs feel like a shitty experience prolonging how shit everyone seemed writing them. Get Back does the complete opposite. I'm still buzzing after it. Yeah, I was very... whelmed by it. I found the editing to be really bleh, to the point I was like "...how am I so indifferent watching The Beatles in the studio???". But I've heard many great things about Get Back - like you just said - so I'm hoping it's much better. Currently 88 on Metacritic! And Peter Jackson was also talking about how they were really struggling to actually tell anything properly in 2.5 hours that they originally had. You take out the 42 minutes for the whole concert and you're left with 1h 45m or so, which he said accounted to mere minutes for every day there were rehearsing/recording. Then they had a few hours of footage every day, many hours more audio. It was just way too restrictive - and Let It Be is barely 80 minutes! Even with the edited down concert, it's just way too little. So that probably contributed to my bleh feeling with the editing. It just wasn't well done IMO. Probably didn't help the editing was taking place as the band was breaking up, so there were notes from the various Beatles about what they did/didn't want, whereas Peter Jackson has waaay more free reign here.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Nov 26, 2021 1:20:27 GMT
Watched part one today and I can't believe it's taken this long for this stuff to be released. Can't wait to watch the others. I think it looked better on disney plus than it did on youtube. I think I prefer what they did with it, would have probably annoyed me if there was excessive grain all over the image.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 10:10:00 GMT
Watched part one today and I can't believe it's taken this long for this stuff to be released. Can't wait to watch the others. I think it looked better on disney plus than it did on youtube. I think I prefer what they did with it, would have probably annoyed me if there was excessive grain all over the image. I woke up thinking about how good it's been presented to us... I can't believe this has been sat on for 50 plus years. SPOILER HISTORIC. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think McCartney came off looking like an absolute powerhouse of a musician. He was constantly "on" and focused. Funny, I remember him coming off as a prick in Let It Be (I distinctly remember the "I'll play what you want me to, and if you don't want me to play anything" part) but here it's almost like if he wasn't there they would barely have had nothing to show after 7 days. I did enjoy that it was left with a cliffhanger! Also, I've always had a funny relationship with Let It Be. I ADORE the album as it is. It has some of my favourite Beatles songs. I always preferred Let It Be Naked over the original release, and I have never been overly familiar with Glyn Johns Get Back albums. That said, after seeing how those songs came about in such depth, in such an awkward, sterile and at times hostile environment, it's nearly changing what each song means. The "Let It Be" documentary, from what I recall, made it seem like these songs were mangled together out of spite, but seeing the effort and strain from the 4 guys to get something to click was just magic. Seeing "Get Back" birthed and evolve was.... goosebumps. Also, I absolutely love Lennon making fun of Ob La Di the few times. I know he loathed that song.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Nov 26, 2021 17:47:18 GMT
Yeah agreed Paul seems really on it a lot of the time and seems to be the one trying to keep things moving. You can see Paul is trying to encourage but I can understand why his approach could also be irritating as he seems to me unable to compromise once he's decided something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 23:58:14 GMT
Just finished part 2. It's simply phenomenal. Speechless.
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Post by Snow White on Nov 27, 2021 0:15:19 GMT
Where are you watching it? Disney+? If so, I don't have it. 🙁
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Nov 27, 2021 0:24:22 GMT
Where are you watching it? Disney+? If so, I don't have it. 🙁 It's only on disney plus unfortunately yeah. They may release it on physical media later but I don't think that there's been solid confirmation.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Nov 27, 2021 0:25:06 GMT
Just finished part 2. It's simply phenomenal. Speechless. So many moments in this doc that I had a massive smile on my face tbh. Their dynamic is incredible. And avoiding spoilers there was one part that I didn't really expect that was a really nice insight.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 7:44:17 GMT
Just finished part 2. It's simply phenomenal. Speechless. So many moments in this doc that I had a massive smile on my face tbh. Their dynamic is incredible. And avoiding spoilers there was one part that I didn't really expect that was a really nice insight. Wondering if we are thinking of the same moment. Actually, there were a few moments in episode 2 that almost had me in tears due to the sheer emotion and significance on display. Yoko Ono. I know she's had a hard time over the years, but having to deal with her sitting there on top of the other issues that had built up over the years, it's amazing that we got Let It Be and Abbey Road at all.
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 27, 2021 12:03:57 GMT
Thanks for the spoiler warning @innuendo141 , I jumped right out last night upon seeing that heh.
Anyway, had some mates around, we had some drinks, some pizzas and we made it through the first two parts!
I absolutely loved it. I think it's just nothing short of incredible to basically watch (in what feels like) real time and see songs actually develop from bare scraps of ideas to fully formulated songs. Like I mean Get Back!! Holy shit, seeing Paul literally come up with that?!? Like it was nothing??? My jaw was on the floor!!
It's great to see the narrative that they were always at each others throats in this time period wasn't accurate. Like of course they had disagreements, but there is a lot of camaraderie and chemistry between them. So many times my friends and I cracked up at all the little moments between them.
It honestly felt like we were just hanging out with them? We watched... 5 and a half hours? or something... and it felt more like 3 and a half or something. It's very long, don't get me wrong and I think it's not for the light hearted, but because it's loose you just feel like you're hanging out with friends.
It's very long but I'm glad Peter Jackson made it this long. 2.5 hours is just way too short. One could argue it is longer than what may be needed, but I can't think of many other artists that let us get this close and intimate with them - especially to see their actual arguments and what not with each other. It's incredibly candid and raw, and I'm loving it.
And that shot of Paul at the beginning of Part 2 when he was contemplating how he was losing his creative partner of ~12 years to someone else, and he was just frozen, wrought with emotion... jeez. It froze me up too. I really felt for Paul in that moment.
I'm going to finish off Part 3 tomorrow, but frankly, I had a blast watching it.
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 27, 2021 12:12:40 GMT
The past few years have been an absolutely incredible time to be a Beatles fan ❤
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Post by aazzaabb on Nov 27, 2021 12:32:11 GMT
What Jackson has achieved here is nothing short of miraculous. Just coming to the end of episode one. I’m a Lennon guy as you guys know but to watch in real-time the genius that pours out of McCartney is like nothing I’ve ever witnessed in music besides maybe Prince. Even when he’s horsing around greatness just seems to spill out of him. I found McCartney a bit overbearing at the beginning of the sessions but got quite emotional when watching him invent The Long and Winding Road and other melodies on the piano.
Yoko being there constantly wasn’t as bad as I thought. She keeps out of their creativity/banter but it must have been annoying to Paul. I don’t think Ringo is bothered. Ringo is such a chilled cat man. I love his vibe. George is on a different wavelength to Paul, as is John. But it’s understandable. When George says “We’ve been in a mood since Mr Epstein died” you really feel crushed for them.
The unspoken tension between John and Paul is palpable. The communication between them just isn’t there and John seems a bit nervous to disagree with Paul whereas George seems like he’s hurting a lot at times. I still have 20 minutes left of episode one but it’s incredible. Absolutely incredible.
Theres great fun moments between aswell obviously but there’s a lot of unspoken stuff being left unsaid.
The breakdown between Lennon and McCartney is incredibly sad. I know it’s not the end of the band at this point but they all know “the divorce is coming.”
But there’s a lot of fun and fooling around too as Historic above mentions.
When Paul plays Let It Be you can already hear that it’s an important Beatles song and the others know it too. Unreal.
The way George leaves man!
Dear God, Yoko has just started caterwauling now!!
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